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Posted on 3/12/14 at 11:44 am to mm2316
How often was Ingram in to pass block?
How often was PT?
How often was PT?
Posted on 3/12/14 at 11:51 am to blazingfast
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PT had 77 receptions last year, Sproles had 71 so I think PT fills your role of "scat back" unless you have some other criteria. Cadet will fight it out with the rooks for the 4th spot.
PT did have 77 receptions last year, but there's no way on God's green Earth is he considered a "scat-back". Dude is getting old and slowing down (not that he was even fast to begin with).
A scat-back has extreme quickness and is very fast. I think quickness is more important than top end speed however. Pierre doesn't have a quick bone in his body.
**I appreciate what he has done for us in the past, but to get better, we should have moved on.
We love plays that got Sproles or Bush in a 1 on 1 matchup with a LB. We can not do that with Pierre. 0 chance. We now have nobody on the roster that can do that.
If we add someone that can? Then we are back to a muddled backfield with 4 RBs.
This post was edited on 3/12/14 at 11:53 am
Posted on 3/12/14 at 11:55 am to blueboxer1119
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Dude is getting old and slowing down (not that he was even fast to begin with).
based on what?
I guess he managed to find his speed against Altanta this year
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Pierre doesn't have a quick bone in his body.
PT is one of the most elusive running backs in the NFL
This post was edited on 3/12/14 at 11:57 am
Posted on 3/12/14 at 11:55 am to blueboxer1119
I imagine PT will be used much more in the screen game than as a pure rusher now.
Regardless, it's good to have him back.
Regardless, it's good to have him back.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 12:02 pm to TigerBait1127
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based on what?
I guess he managed to find his speed against Altanta this year
Based on the fact that he ran a 4.65 40 yard dash at his Pro Day....like 8 years ago!
We need speed! Not another plodder ala Ingram....and Robinson.
I'm not saying he wasn't or isn't a good player, but let's be real here.
He is not a scat back. He will not win 1 on 1 matchups with linebackers. He doesn't have the quickness or the speed.
Go watch any game in the last 6 years and watch how many times we singled up a RB (Sproles or Bush) on a LB. Most of the time it was some type of option route for the RB. Pierre can not do this... Not even close.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 12:03 pm to blueboxer1119
So how is he always near the top of the NFL in missed tackles if he doesn't have a quick bone in his body?
Posted on 3/12/14 at 12:04 pm to Hoodoo Man
They have to keep a good mix of rushing and screen passing with Thomas or teams will start to play him like they were Sproles.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 12:09 pm to blueboxer1119
I never thought we would or should get rid of PT. That said he is on the team for now and gives the FO more flexibility in the draft. They do not have to reach for a guy. And I still think they will look for more speed at RB in the draft. Its a long time till opening day.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 12:09 pm to TigerBait1127
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So how is he always near the top of the NFL in missed tackles if he doesn't have a quick bone in his body?
Breaking tackles has zero to do with quickness.
If so, why don't we pick up LaGarrette Blunt and make him our "scatback"?
You don't have to be quick to break tackles.
I remember this dude that played for the Bucs years ago....Mike Alstott...remember him?
He broke a ton of tackles... Would you say he was quick?
Posted on 3/12/14 at 12:10 pm to TigerBait1127
Any Saints fan knows Thomas doesn't have a ton of missed tackles bc of his speed, it's because of how incredibly slippery he is. For some reason he just knows how to slip through to get those extra few yards in almost every run
Posted on 3/12/14 at 12:13 pm to blueboxer1119
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Breaking tackles has zero to do with quickness.
I said missed tackles, not broken tackles. And it is absolutely retarded to say quickness has zero to do with it. He's incredible at quick steps to change his direction.
PFF constantly has him ranked as one of the most elusive backs in the NFL. He did kickoff returns for us when he got here
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Based on the fact that he ran a 4.65 40 yard dash at his Pro Day....like 8 years ago!
you said his speed was declining. What is that based off of?
I guess Adrian Peterson isn't quick either
This post was edited on 3/12/14 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 3/12/14 at 12:13 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
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Any Saints fan knows Thomas doesn't have a ton of missed tackles bc of his speed, it's because of how incredibly slippery he is. For some reason he just knows how to slip through to get those extra few yards in almost every run
Exactly. Which brings me back to my original question.
Who is our "scat-back"? Who catches the swing (not screen) passes? Who fills the Sproles / Bush role?
Posted on 3/12/14 at 12:15 pm to blueboxer1119
If we end up replacing our scat back, it'll likely be in the draft.
Or Cadet.
Or Cadet.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 12:21 pm to lsutigers1992
PT23 Posted on 3/12/14 at 12:21 pm to blueboxer1119
Tons of missed tackles, not even touched
This post was edited on 3/12/14 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 3/12/14 at 12:24 pm to TigerBait1127
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Breaking tackles has zero to do with quickness.
I said missed tackles, not broken tackles. And it is absolutely retarded to say quickness has zero to do with it. He's incredible at quick steps to change his direction.
PFF constantly has him ranked as one of the most elusive backs in the NFL
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Based on the fact that he ran a 4.65 40 yard dash at his Pro Day....like 8 years ago!
you said his speed was declining. What is that based off of?
I guess Adrian Peterson isn't quick either
Well, if he was such a good scat-back, as is perfect for this, why the hell hasn't he been doing it for the last 7 years or whatever?
We've always either had Bush or Sproles to fill that role.
He's in decline based on the history of the NFL bro. 30 year old running backs are not a hot commodity, in case you didn't notice.
And yes, AP is slowing down...He's not getting faster with age, unless he's Benjamin Button.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 12:27 pm to blueboxer1119
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Well, if he was such a good scat-back,
I never said he was such a good scat-back. He's still a hell of a receiving back. He's too good all-around to be considered a scat back
You said he was on the decline and didn't have a quick bone in his body. You can clearly see quickness in any film of his. He makes good defensive players look absolutely silly
You brought up his 40 time from college. In the drills that measure quickness, he was very comparable to AP
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We've always either had Bush or Sproles to fill that role.
And we did fine when Bush was injured for long periods of time
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And yes, AP is slowing down...He's not getting faster with age, unless he's Benjamin Button.
So basically, your opinion on PT's decline is just based on other players. How about we actually let him start his decline
This post was edited on 3/12/14 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 3/12/14 at 12:28 pm to Hoodoo Man
Not to mention, Thomas still has plenty of tread left, another good couple of years. He's had the luxury of I'm pretty sure never even breaking 200 carries in an entire season with us.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 12:35 pm to lsutigers1992
Had a gut feeling we'd keep him. Above all else Payton wants accountability and PT has been extremely reliable in all phases.
His rushing is taking a hit, but Ingram and Robinson showed that they can shoulder the load so that offsets his one "negative".
His rushing is taking a hit, but Ingram and Robinson showed that they can shoulder the load so that offsets his one "negative".
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