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re: Mariota @ #13, Yes or No?
Posted on 4/11/15 at 3:11 pm to FootballNostradamus
Posted on 4/11/15 at 3:11 pm to FootballNostradamus
That worked in Favres time because the market for qb was not 20+ mil a year. We are going to pay Drew 27 this year, or whatever ridiculous number it is, and take a qb at 13? And it's not even some qb that everyone is drooling over. The Packers took Rogers with like the 24th pick. Meaning they were a playoff team. It's reasonable to take a cant believe he dropped luxury at that point.
Did you even consider the other side of the argument before acting like it's ludicrous?
Did you even consider the other side of the argument before acting like it's ludicrous?
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Posted on 4/11/15 at 3:15 pm to saintsalwaysnumber1
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I don't want him because drew Bree's predecessor is coming out next year in codalle Jones Ohio state
OK.
Posted on 4/11/15 at 3:28 pm to adono
We have a serious hole at both OLB and ILB. We are old at one guard spot and completely underwhelming at the other. WR position is very weak. We have 3 high picks in the first 2 rounds and 2 more in the 3rd. We are in position to fill those holes and have one of our most complete teams in forever. If Mariotta is there, go for the good ole trade rape. If no one bites, take your best option at the above holes. Only if there is not a guy at 13 who you think would help immediately would I think Mariotta is valuable. Without that 13th pick to fill a hole on your team, all the sudden you are having to reach for positions of need with your later picks, or trading away other picks to make sure you get them. We don't have a draft guru history. We need as many chances to hit on picks as possible.
Posted on 4/11/15 at 3:36 pm to blueslover
no
waisted pick.
We won't get better this year, and we have to hope that he actually can make the transition to a pro style offense.
waisted pick.
We won't get better this year, and we have to hope that he actually can make the transition to a pro style offense.
Posted on 4/11/15 at 3:56 pm to Mr. Wayne
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We need as many chances to hit on picks as possible.
Deciding when to move on from a future HOF QB is always difficult and filled with a difference of opinion. The teams that have sustained a winning program have had the foresight to draft their heir apparent while things were moving forward or were extremely lucky to have one waiting for them in the draft (we can't expect to have an Andrew Luck waiting for us anytime too soon).
Reality is reality. The Saints are, more than likely, not going to pay Brees $27.4M next year. There are a ton of questions on what to do with him...and we don't have the answers...neither does the FO. If he plays well, we'll try to extend him to give some cap relief. I've asked the question before: How many years and what is the max we're willing to pay for 2 or 3 years? Will Brees want all money on an extension guaranteed?
The best time to go grocery shopping is when you're not hungry. The same applies to finding a QB.
Posted on 4/11/15 at 4:19 pm to blueslover
Posted on 4/11/15 at 7:07 pm to blueslover
If Payton truly thinks he can make him into a top 6-8 or so qb in the future in our system then definitely. I say this mainly because I think the odds are against us to repeat as superbowl Champs in the Brees era.
There is likely to be questions regarding ANY qb we draft in the future, especially as more and more colleges move to the spread and there are fewer and fewer nfl ready prospects without the perfect combination of tanking and having an Andrew luck sitting there.
It's damn hard to get good qbs and when people talk about drafting Drew 's replacement in the 4th round or later it's essentially equivalent to hitting the lottery and EXTREMELY unlikely to occur. I'm not sure if Mariotta is going to be a great nfl qb but if Payton thinks so then it's a great value at 13 when we have a bunch of other picks as well.
There is likely to be questions regarding ANY qb we draft in the future, especially as more and more colleges move to the spread and there are fewer and fewer nfl ready prospects without the perfect combination of tanking and having an Andrew luck sitting there.
It's damn hard to get good qbs and when people talk about drafting Drew 's replacement in the 4th round or later it's essentially equivalent to hitting the lottery and EXTREMELY unlikely to occur. I'm not sure if Mariotta is going to be a great nfl qb but if Payton thinks so then it's a great value at 13 when we have a bunch of other picks as well.
This post was edited on 4/11/15 at 7:20 pm
Posted on 4/11/15 at 7:25 pm to blueslover
Do not want.
Joey Harrington syndrome
Joey Harrington syndrome
Posted on 4/11/15 at 7:35 pm to St Augustine
good comments, I spose the biggest thing is that it would signal an end to the Brees era- whenever that might be '16-19-ish. No significant draft investment and we're riding with Capn Brees into the horizon. No prob with that. Ya just never know when age or injury catches up. If we're successful the next couple of years there may be not such an opportunity again. If Brees is knocked out injury we're SOL. If he departs over money (prolly most likely) ya only get minimal return, if anything. Having a guy in the wings ready would be a rarity as pointed out by others.
IF they had him rated as surefire solid starter in 2-3 years it makes a lot of sense.
Sure would feel weird though.
IF they had him rated as surefire solid starter in 2-3 years it makes a lot of sense.
Sure would feel weird though.
Posted on 4/11/15 at 7:49 pm to Mr. Wayne
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That worked in Favres time because the market for qb was not 20+ mil a year. We are going to pay Drew 27 this year, or whatever ridiculous number it is, and take a qb at 13?
Rookie QBs also made more in Favre's day, though. I'm not sure the total amount, but I'd be they're relatively similar when you combine the two between Favre/Rogers and Brees/Mariotta (13th pick slot).
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And it's not even some qb that everyone is drooling over.
You do realize that in this situation Mariota (at 13) would be the higher prospect than Rogers, right? Also, there's so much revisionist history with Rogers. He was far from some can't-miss prospect. He was good at Cal, but he was a former JUCO player without much experience in a Pac-10 that was terrible at the time. He was also a Tedford product. He was a multi-year Heisman-winning QB.
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It's reasonable to take a cant believe he dropped luxury at that point.
Is it ever not reasonable to take a "can't believe he dropped luxury" if it's at QB?
Posted on 4/11/15 at 9:48 pm to FootballNostradamus
I'm starting to believe that we're going to see Mr. Mariota quite a bit in his career.
It's looking more and more like the Glazer family may not want to deal with the media circus surrounding Winston. They have already informed the FO they have to sign off on the pick.
We're about to see another Manziel drop...maybe even further.
It's looking more and more like the Glazer family may not want to deal with the media circus surrounding Winston. They have already informed the FO they have to sign off on the pick.
We're about to see another Manziel drop...maybe even further.
Posted on 4/12/15 at 2:02 am to blueslover
I think I'd be legit upset if we took any QB in the first 3 rounds of this draft
Posted on 4/12/15 at 7:27 am to blueslover
ABSOLUTELY!
Posted on 4/12/15 at 2:04 pm to FootballNostradamus
Rogers signed five year with a little over 5 million guaranteed. Fabre was in the middle of a 10 year 100 million dollar contract. The 13th pick last year went for 4 year with around 10 million guaranteed. The numbers don't compare even factoring in salary cap increases.
Rogers wasn't expected to drop as far as he did. And I think you are pumping Mariotta up more than he's worth.
And while I understand the logic of taking someone at 13 who will have absolutely no impact on the next 2-3 years, I just don't agree with it when we could potentially make a run with our current qb in that same time frame.
Rogers wasn't expected to drop as far as he did. And I think you are pumping Mariotta up more than he's worth.
And while I understand the logic of taking someone at 13 who will have absolutely no impact on the next 2-3 years, I just don't agree with it when we could potentially make a run with our current qb in that same time frame.
Posted on 4/12/15 at 2:23 pm to Mr. Wayne
Next Years QB crop is much deeper
Posted on 4/12/15 at 2:41 pm to LosLobos111
but what will be available at #32 vs. 13?
Since reading up more on Mariota I think there is less than a 10% chance of being available. Too many teams like him and it is a significant dropoff to Petty or Grayson.
ya made me look...
QBs in Walter 2016 Mock
#3 Cardale Jones Ohio St (Browns)
6 Christian Hackenburg Penn St (Bears)
9 Connor Cook Mich St (Jets)
Other potential 1st Rders-
Prescott MSU
Boykin TCU
Since reading up more on Mariota I think there is less than a 10% chance of being available. Too many teams like him and it is a significant dropoff to Petty or Grayson.
ya made me look...
QBs in Walter 2016 Mock
#3 Cardale Jones Ohio St (Browns)
6 Christian Hackenburg Penn St (Bears)
9 Connor Cook Mich St (Jets)
Other potential 1st Rders-
Prescott MSU
Boykin TCU
Posted on 4/12/15 at 3:20 pm to Mr. Wayne
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And while I understand the logic of taking someone at 13 who will have absolutely no impact on the next 2-3 years, I just don't agree with it when we could potentially make a run with our current qb in that same time frame.
I guess that's the missing element in your equation...is Brees really going to be here another 2 or 3 years. That's and unknown at this time.
I would be absolutely shocked if the team takes on Brees' $27.4M cap in 2016. There's no guarantee the 2 sides will be able to agree to an extension; if the team plays like it did last season, why invest that kind of money in Brees?
Posted on 4/12/15 at 4:27 pm to adono
I would hope that both sides have something in mind as far as an extension. This is all kind of pointless though as Mariotta won't be there at 13.
Posted on 4/12/15 at 4:31 pm to blueslover
Your list doesn't include the possible #1 pick in next year's draft USC's Cody Kessler.
LINK
at Walterfootball.com for not even having Kessler listed in their 1st round mock.
quote:
CAREER: He has completed 553-of-815 passes (67.9%) for 6,803 yards with 59 TDs and just 12 interceptions in his career. He is fourth on Troy’s career TD pass list (59) and sixth on the career passing chart (553 completions), the career passing yardage list (6,803) and the career total offense chart (6,527 yards). He has thrown for at least 300 yards in a game 8 times in his career (including once for 400 yards) and 3 times he has done it back-to-back. He has thrown at least 1 TD pass in 23 of his 27 career starts, at least 2 scores 15 times in his career and at least 4 TDs 7 times. He has thrown just 6 interceptions in his past 18 games. He has thrown 28 touchdowns in the last 7 games. His current career completion percentage of 67.9% and interception rate of 1.47 are better than 2004 Heisman Trophy winner Matt Leinart’s USC career records (64.8% and 1.85%). He also has 3 rushing touchdowns. He also has 7 pooch punts for a 33.0 average in his career.
LINK
at Walterfootball.com for not even having Kessler listed in their 1st round mock.This post was edited on 4/12/15 at 4:36 pm
Posted on 4/12/15 at 4:44 pm to Mr. Wayne
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I would hope that both sides have something in mind as far as an extension. This is all kind of pointless though as Mariotta won't be there at 13.
This is he draft we're talking about and it wouldn't be the first time a QB fell.
All I know is that the team has some major decisions to make at the most important position on the field, QB, and not a lot of time to decide them.
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