re: Mariota @ #13, Yes or No?

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I'd rather Petty

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I'm absolutely down with Petty in the 2nd/3rd.

Basically I am just 100% on the QB for future train.

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I'm absolutely down with Petty in the 2nd/3rd.

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So am I. Outside of being able to run faster in a straight line, I really don't see the difference in Mariota & Petty. Petty actually has the stronger arm & quicker release. He's great shuffling his feet in the pocket. They both put up huge stats but both also face a huge learning curve heading into the NFL. I think the current situation for the Saints is the perfect icubator opportunity to develop a young Petty.

That dude was spot on. Insert any spread quarterback there & the break down will be exactly the same. It's why I laugh at people to follow college football as well who prop the spread & spread concepts as some great football innovative when in reality it's doing nothing but leaving quarterbacks totally unprepared for the pro game.

The reality is though that the pro style in college is a dying breed. Few actual power 5 conference teams run the pro style at the moment which makes the number of quarterbacks coming out of these systems few & far between. This is why the need to draft a QB soon who has a big upside whether it's a pro style or spread guy. The percentages are high that it most likely be a spread guy & whoever it is, will need time to get a grasp of pro style concepts. The percentages are low of a spread quarterback in stepping in day one & being successful is extremely low. Far lower than someone coming out of a pro style in college.

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Are you dumb? The point's not gonna speak itself!

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The ST poster notablackbelt recently linked this new scout on youtube, Brett Kollmann, and the guy completely destroys Mariotta as a prospect in general, much less for 1st round consideration.

Anybody that watches this annilhilation-by-analysis and still wants Mariotta is out of their mind:

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So by completely destroys Mariotta ya mean says (quote):

"physically he has absolutely no limitations"

"his release is incredibly tight and compact, much moreso than Winston"

We are going to have coaches on our roster right? They are supposed to, ya know, coach the players, right? This guy is basically telling you he has no physical limitations. He is the perfect piece of clay to be molded, especially if you have a couple years to do it as we do.

Everything that scout said was everything we know. Mariota is incredibly gifted physically (significantly moreso than Winston), but he hasn't been exposed to NFL concepts. Also, I'm really excited to know that our staff doesn't evaluate players solely on one game.

Lastly, this scout sounds like your typical stubborn NFL traditionalist. First of all, every single NFL team uses spread concepts. To say otherwise is just moronic and should have your 'scout' moniker removed. Second, his claim that packaged plays are rarely if ever used in the NFL is laughably untrue. Tons of NFL teams, most notably the Pats, use them all the time. The Broncos also use them constantly.

Just because some 20 something year-old assclown has the term 'scout' in front of their twitter doesn't mean he knows dick. This kid has never been paid in any way shape or form by an NFL organization to scout talent.

Also, like all idiots, this dude lists nonstop all the spread guys who have failed. How about all the pro-style guys who have failed? How many pro-style QBs have been drafted and succeeded in the last decade? Andrew Luck? Joe Flacco? Should I list the numerous prostyle guys who didn't succeed? This moron lumps someone like Case Keenum in as a spread QB who failed. Lol, Keenum wasn't even drafted you fvcktard. Also, Teddy Bridgewater ran a ton of spread concepts. This wasn't Petrino's offense he's just assuming. Lastly, how come people don't ever lump Russell Wilson and Aaron Rogers in with the spread QBs who have succeeded?

I really hope no one pays that idiot for his input.

Wow, so I watched that idiot's breakdown of Winston just to see what type of verbal diarrhea he'd spew in that one, and holy shite. Just a couple of highlights:

The dude doesn't even know rudimentary concepts. He's constantly calling snag concepts smash concepts. He's also constantly calling Quarters coverage Cover 2.

This idiot gives Winston an hour of praise on a post route that half of America could make. You get a slot WR to absolutely destroy the man trying to jam him on a post route and you're gonna have a completion. That had nothing to do with Winston manipulating the safeties. It was hair FSU's guy beating Oregon's.

Then he goes on to excuse almost all of Winston's TOs. Newsflash, any time a QB is stripped in the pocket it's his fault, end of story. Also, understanding throwing lanes and windows can minimize tipped balls. Can't put that one totally on him but it can be improved upon.

Then, he goes on and on about Winston being a leader even when his team was down without commenting on the fact that Jimbo was seen on camera screaming at Winston and telling him to "StFU or he was going to the bench".

Last but not least, this moderate-functioning ruhtard goes on to say the following. If the team Tampa has right now drafts Winston he not only think they will be a playoff team, he thinks they are a "dangerous" playoff team and he would take them "against any team in the NFC".

The fact that such an idiot likes Winston and dislikes Mariota makes me feel awesome.

I would take him if he is available. I would probably trade down though if he was available and we could get someone to give us a future 1st round pick.

13th downvote here

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO no

down vote for asking a question? I was not advocating.

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I would not take him. IMO he has bust written all over him. I see him as one of those typical QBs whose talents are perfectly suited to the college game and their team's scheme. I don't think his skills will translate into a long term NFL career as a starter. For those reasons I would pass on him at #13.

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There hasn't been a QB in the draft the last 10 year, other than Andrew Luck, that didn't have pimples and the odds are good that isn't going to change anytime too soon. People use the spread offense experience as a negative because of inability to transition into "read on line" play calling. Well, the odds are against any team finding a "Pro Type" guy out of college.. there just aren't many out there.

If we're going to draft Brees's successor at some point (and I hope it's sooner rather than later), the guy will, more than likely, be a player from a spread offense and the team will have to do what others have done, evaluate properly and answer the hard questions:

Is the guy intelligent?
Does he have football intelligence?
Does he have confidence in his abilities?
Is he a statute in the pocket?
How accurate in the pocket (sometimes a difficult thing to assess because most of them like to run first)?
Most importantly, can he make all the throws?

BTW...here are some guys who have made the transition from college spread to the NFL level:
Drew Brees
Russell Wilson
Phillip Rivers
Cam Newton
Ryan Tannehill
Colin Kaepernick
Ben Roethlesburger
Alex Smith

I don't care if they draft Mariota or not. I do care that the FO has enough foresight to start finding Brees replacement ASAP and lessens the leverage he has over this team.