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re: Sam Mitchell to Replace Phil Weber?
Posted on 5/28/17 at 10:52 am to cgrand
Posted on 5/28/17 at 10:52 am to cgrand
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but I also think that they'll get better at scoring without him and before he got hurt his value was as high as it likely will ever be
the value part is true.
not so sure about the scoring. maybe if they pull of signing Hayward and then trading for George or Butler. not sure i see that happening though.
why would Chicago or Indiana do a Butler/George for IT + ?? trade?
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Posted on 5/28/17 at 10:55 am to corndeaux
IT would go to another team
They won't trade him, but objectively it might be the smartest move
He will never have a season as good as last year. And every second he has the ball is a second Fultz doesn't.
Again, they won't do it but that doesn't mean they shouldn't
The overall point remains/- the Celts could put three guards on the trade market and then just take the best offer for any one. So, the dream of being just gifted Smart or Bradley should die
They won't trade him, but objectively it might be the smartest move
He will never have a season as good as last year. And every second he has the ball is a second Fultz doesn't.
Again, they won't do it but that doesn't mean they shouldn't
The overall point remains/- the Celts could put three guards on the trade market and then just take the best offer for any one. So, the dream of being just gifted Smart or Bradley should die
Posted on 5/28/17 at 10:55 am to corndeaux
because he's good enough to keep you relevant while you try to cash the other assets you get from Boston
Posted on 5/28/17 at 10:59 am to Crewz
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So, the dream of being just gifted Smart or Bradley should die
oh i agree completely with that.
not sure about them being better off in the long run by trading Thomas. but it's an interesting debate
Posted on 5/28/17 at 11:04 am to corndeaux
regarding the dream comment from MM just to be clear we are all saying that the celts will get better offers than what the pels can make, from multiple teams
just making conversation
just making conversation
Posted on 5/28/17 at 11:05 am to Crewz
If they are trading for Butler or George they will need to include Bradley in that deal, along with probably Crowder (could be Smart if they go the Butler route). They can't just trade Bradley for a first (or two), then trade Smart and Crowder in the George or Butler deal because the salaries won't match. I guess they could do Crowder, Smart, and Rozier for Butler, but that wouldn't work for the George deal.
Posted on 5/28/17 at 11:06 am to cgrand
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because he's good enough to keep you relevant while you try to cash the other assets you get from Boston
but what else is Boston going to give you if they're giving up Thomas? it's not going to be Thomas + '18 #1.
Posted on 5/28/17 at 11:07 am to Crewz
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And every second he has the ball is a second Fultz doesn't.
while true, how is that much different than Fultz playing with Butler or George or Hayward? they aren't letting a rookie run the show.
now, if you think punting on being a conference finals type team is the best long term play, i get it.
Posted on 5/28/17 at 11:07 am to corndeaux
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not sure about them being better off in the long run by trading Thomas.
They are better off not maxing him, IMO. Unless it's for only 2-3 years, which I doubt he'd accept. No way would I want him and Horford on max contracts, long term.
Posted on 5/28/17 at 11:12 am to corndeaux
If I were the Celtics, I wouldn't make a trade for the 18 pick until I see what Brooklyn does this offseason. If it looks like they'll be terrible again, I keep the pick and play the long game (Brown, Fultz, 18 pick, maybe Hayward if you can land him).
Posted on 5/28/17 at 11:14 am to Crewz
Even if a max player wants to sign with Boston, the Celtics have multiple ways to dump Zeller if they need space. I do not see them giving Smart away for a 2nd.
Posted on 5/28/17 at 11:21 am to NOFOX
Look at my previous posts, Horford, Bradley, Thomas, Crowder, Brown, Smart, Fultz, and empty roster holds is 73 mil. This is assuming they dump every player and hold not listed. They are still short of max room, someone has to go.
ETA: I just re-did the math and they are at ~70.9 mil with those holds and salaries, which means they may be able to squeak in right below the salary cap while keeping those players and signing a max player (70.9+30.3-.815615=100.384). I could be missing something, but I believe this is right.
ETA2: I was forgetting Zizic who is coming over next season making 1.6 mil. So, they are still lacking space even if they dump Rozier, Yabusele, and Demetrius Jackson (600k guaranteed). Anyway, all of this is on the latest Dunc'd On podcast.
ETA: I just re-did the math and they are at ~70.9 mil with those holds and salaries, which means they may be able to squeak in right below the salary cap while keeping those players and signing a max player (70.9+30.3-.815615=100.384). I could be missing something, but I believe this is right.
ETA2: I was forgetting Zizic who is coming over next season making 1.6 mil. So, they are still lacking space even if they dump Rozier, Yabusele, and Demetrius Jackson (600k guaranteed). Anyway, all of this is on the latest Dunc'd On podcast.
This post was edited on 5/28/17 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 5/28/17 at 11:22 am to Epic Cajun
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No way would I want him and Horford on max contracts, long term.
true. but the nice thing is Horford has only 3 more years. it's not like the days of 7 year contracts. while he's losing value, they should be compensating with Brown, Fultz, 2018 pick being so underpaid.
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If it looks like they'll be terrible again
i think that's a given. they'll throw money out there and they seem to have a nice culture w/ Atkinson. but i cant see anyone of consequence signing on. and they should be looking to dump Lopez for a 1st- if possible
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I keep the pick and play the long game
i would try to do both long and short game. re-sign Thomas, even with the knowledge that his contract will likely be under water in 4 years. like with Horford, you hopefully can balance out that overpay with underpays to rookies, other supplemental guys they've been able to find over the past few years.
Posted on 5/28/17 at 11:44 am to corndeaux
I would be tempted to let Fultz play under IT for a year and see what he has. If he's looking like a future star, I'd let IT walk. If not, I'd re-sign him. I don't think I'd trade IT before the season, under pretty much any circumstance.
Posted on 5/28/17 at 12:17 pm to corndeaux
who knows but it doesn't matter because he's hurt and they aren't trading him
there was certainly an argument to be made to trade him before that happened
celtics have so many options its interesting to speculate from afar
they may very well play the long game which means they won't need to shed salary and won't need to shed anyone
there was certainly an argument to be made to trade him before that happened
celtics have so many options its interesting to speculate from afar
they may very well play the long game which means they won't need to shed salary and won't need to shed anyone
Posted on 5/28/17 at 2:52 pm to Epic Cajun
Some team would give a 1st for Smart I'm sure. I'm not sure where the assumption is coming from that a 2nd is his value. Asik netted a 1st in a very similar situation.
ETA: cue Demps jokes but a team like Minn or 20s would give up a future first for someone like Smart I'd wager.
ETA: cue Demps jokes but a team like Minn or 20s would give up a future first for someone like Smart I'd wager.
This post was edited on 5/28/17 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 5/28/17 at 2:57 pm to ShamelessPel
It comes from a convo between Nate Duncan and Danny Leroux.
Posted on 6/1/17 at 9:32 am to Crewz
Does th hiring of Mitchell create/greatly increase Pels interest in Rubio?
I know we asked about Tyus Jones last summer and Mitchell should have intel on him, but when Mitchell was coaching the Wolves were really good when a healthy Rubio was on the court. Huge difference defensively when he sat.
I know we asked about Tyus Jones last summer and Mitchell should have intel on him, but when Mitchell was coaching the Wolves were really good when a healthy Rubio was on the court. Huge difference defensively when he sat.
Posted on 6/1/17 at 9:40 am to NOFOX
We do know that Demps is risk averse and having more information about Rubio than other alternatives like Lin might be enough to sway him. I don't think they trade for Bayless or draft Rivers without Monty's inside info on those players.
Oleh from TBW has some more insight into Mitchell as a motivator and his relationship with Kevin Garnett, even speculating Mitchell might be able to get KG as a consultant for AD/DC.
LINK
Oleh from TBW has some more insight into Mitchell as a motivator and his relationship with Kevin Garnett, even speculating Mitchell might be able to get KG as a consultant for AD/DC.
LINK
Posted on 6/1/17 at 9:43 am to TigerinATL
I think Demps is going to make moves none of us expect (I don't mean that in a good or bad way). It always seems to happen that way.
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