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re: Possible Upside to Struggles?

Posted on 2/26/17 at 12:18 pm to
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 2/26/17 at 12:18 pm to
yeah. Many national guys have had no real reason to pay much attention to the Pels- too many other interesting stories.

I do think guys like Lowe, Prada, Duncan, Golliver try to do their due diligence when they talk Pels in a way that Simmons just doesnt much anymore. And if I dont think you even trying to go deeper when talking about the Pels, why would I think you're going deeper on other teams/topics?
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
9803 posts
Posted on 2/26/17 at 12:36 pm to
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People here loved to shite on Evans but he and Galloway were precisely the kind of players we've needed the past two games. Evans' ability to score and facilitate off the drive and Gallo's outside shooting are what this team needs in order to click. Not saying it has to be those two players, but their skillsets are what we need in order to be competitive.


See this is what I mean. After watching Evans and Holiday for the past few years, I've thought that Evans is the superior player and even a better PG than Holiday. Holiday is a better shooter and a better defender. But Evans is a force and has the ability to take over. I know the market for Evans is going to be tiny, since he is so unique, injury prone and has big holes in his game. But Holiday isn't better than him. So if the starting price for Holiday is supposed to be 20M. What would it be for Evans?

Here are the top salaries for this season (LINK ). If they gave Holiday over 20M, that puts him as a top 25 paid player in the league. For a guy that might not even be top 50 and is about to be out of his prime, that's just crazy. Plus I would never give someone more money than the star player (Davis). I really don't see anyone else coming after him, but if they do I'd let him walk. They should have locked down this extension a long time ago anyway, if they really wanted to keep him..
Posted by Peazey
Metry
Member since Apr 2012
25418 posts
Posted on 2/26/17 at 12:38 pm to
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That all depends on Philly. They are the only team that can push his value from the low $20s to $30.


How does this work?
Posted by ShamelessPel
Metairie
Member since Apr 2013
12723 posts
Posted on 2/26/17 at 12:41 pm to
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How does this work


Philly throws a stupid max offer or close at Jrue. They bring deal back to Pels. Pels have to pony up the money 76ers were offering.
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
9803 posts
Posted on 2/26/17 at 12:47 pm to
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How does this work?


I guess they figure that the Sixers would finally go on the FA market and offer Holiday a max deal or something close to it.

I don't know why the Sixers would target him now. They have tons of picks, including two possible top 10 picks (theirs and Lakers), plus the rights to swap with the Kings if inside the top 10 (they could legit end up with the 1st and 4th picks). They should be able to grab one or two of the top PGs in the draft. Plus Simmons plays Point-Forward and will handle the ball a ton. It just doesn't make sense for the Sixers to jump in the FA market now, if ever. They have tons of trade bait..
Posted by ShamelessPel
Metairie
Member since Apr 2013
12723 posts
Posted on 2/26/17 at 12:51 pm to
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No 'In the No'????

Haha


This is the thing with podcasts. You have to sit down and commit a block of time to listen to them. As it's hard to bounce around without missing information. Whereas doing constant print media like articles on the site lets you cherry pick the information you are going to digest. I don't know what the BSS numbers look like, but I feel like the majority of people still prefer the latter if only because that's what they're used to. I still comb the site for those.

I admittedly havent listened in awhile, but if it's still the bear wrestling intro, y'all need to 86 that man. It's really cheesy and comes off fairly amateur to start the pod with. Just my personal opinion. If y'all could get a player to do an intro for y'all that'd be a much better route to go. Maybe it's not the same intro though idk.
Posted by Peazey
Metry
Member since Apr 2012
25418 posts
Posted on 2/26/17 at 12:53 pm to
Not what I'm asking. Why is it only Philly that would be capable of driving up the price? Are they the only team in the league with cap space besides the pelicans? Is there some other CBA type reason that they are allowed to offer more money to Jrue in particular?
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61534 posts
Posted on 2/26/17 at 1:00 pm to
Because they are the only team with possible interest in Holiday that can easily offer a max deal. The other potential teams' cap space is going to be in the low to mid $20s.
Posted by ShamelessPel
Metairie
Member since Apr 2013
12723 posts
Posted on 2/26/17 at 1:02 pm to
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Not what I'm asking. Why is it only Philly that would be capable of driving up the price? Are they the only team in the league with cap space besides the pelicans? Is there some other CBA type reason that they are allowed to offer more money to Jrue in particular


They are the only team as of right now that seems like they'd be capable of driving up the price. There isn't any CBA specific reason other than they have the cap space to do so. They have pick swap rights with Sacramento, so they can try to be competitive without worry unless SAC does something crazy in FA (not gonna happen). At some point, you have to try to get better and take advantage of all the rookie deals you have. Simmons is a good ball handler who can take pressure off Holiday and allow him to be more of a combo guard, where he appears to excel. We really need to hope them or SAC gets lucky in the lottery and they snag a PG in the draft.
Posted by Peazey
Metry
Member since Apr 2012
25418 posts
Posted on 2/26/17 at 1:03 pm to
So I guess it's just sort of an educated guess. They might not be interested at all.
Posted by Peazey
Metry
Member since Apr 2012
25418 posts
Posted on 2/26/17 at 1:04 pm to
Thanks for the explanation.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61534 posts
Posted on 2/26/17 at 1:07 pm to
There has been rumored interest and a lot of smoke regarding Philly and FA PG interest. Hopefully their pick is high enough to draft a PG and take them out of the market.
Posted by pawel
Warsaw, Poland
Member since Oct 2016
788 posts
Posted on 2/26/17 at 1:11 pm to
Hopefully all this Lauren stuff and possibilty of 5th year will be some kind of argument for Jrue.

It all depends on 76ers and NYK IMO. NYK if Jrue wants to go to the big market -cause they have those fat Melo and Noah deals (his hometown LAL prefer George and Westbrook. Dont see them going after Jrue).

76 ers is mystery for me.
But probably even for Colangelo 4 year max is little high...
Posted by Crewz
Member since Jun 2014
5093 posts
Posted on 2/26/17 at 1:13 pm to
When the team was good, we regularly got over 30,000 podcast downloads and we rarely got over 3,000 post views. So you are in the minority. People prefer podcasts
Posted by GynoSandberg
Member since Jan 2006
72033 posts
Posted on 2/26/17 at 1:27 pm to
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But Holiday isn't better than him.


Posted by ShamelessPel
Metairie
Member since Apr 2013
12723 posts
Posted on 2/26/17 at 1:35 pm to
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When the team was good, we regularly got over 30,000 podcast downloads and we rarely got over 3,000 post views. So you are in the minority. People prefer podcasts


Are those unique downloads? As in, only counting the IP once? I find it crazy that 30k people listened to a single podcast from BSS. There's also a symbiotic relationship between the 2. You have to produce written content to get people to buy in to listening to you for an hour.
Posted by Aussie_Pelican
Melbourne
Member since Oct 2016
1198 posts
Posted on 2/26/17 at 1:48 pm to
I doubt Dell even lets Jrue test the market. He will have a max contract ready. He will overpay just like Hill and Asik.

I'm fine with Jrue getting paid. I just hope we put another guard who can distribute next to him to hide Jrues weaknesses.
This post was edited on 2/26/17 at 1:49 pm
Posted by Crewz
Member since Jun 2014
5093 posts
Posted on 2/26/17 at 2:07 pm to
Yep, unique. And we were often over 50. The only article that came close to that was my piece on AD's next contract and a piece Ryan did on all the teams and their best trades for CP3. And that's only because they went on ESPN's main bball page
Posted by ShamelessPel
Metairie
Member since Apr 2013
12723 posts
Posted on 2/26/17 at 2:33 pm to
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Yep, unique. And we were often over 50. The only article that came close to that was my piece on AD's next contract and a piece Ryan did on all the teams and their best trades for CP3. And that's only because they went on ESPN's main bball page


Those are staggering numbers...wouldn't have guessed. The common observer has very little means to track it other than seeing comments etc on articles.
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 2/26/17 at 5:04 pm to
love podcasts for commutes/travel, going for a run, or cooking/chores around the house.

sometimes hard to focus on them. especially if im at home and can play on computer, phone, etc. and i only go at 1.3x speed. some people go at 2x speed---

but ones with good discussion are great. definitely have some immediate listens when they come out.

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The common observer has very little means to track it other than seeing comments etc on articles.


all about the itunes ratings, promo codes, and trending downloads. all the ones that are trying to make money constantly push those things during the pods
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