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re: Possible Upside to Struggles?
Posted on 2/27/17 at 7:50 pm to TigerinATL
Posted on 2/27/17 at 7:50 pm to TigerinATL
For those that would be in favor of bringing in Rubio and sliding Jrue to the 2 (not sure if you were in favor of that), what do you think about possibly bringing in Elfrid Payton into the back court alongside Jrue? He can't shoot to save his life, but he can penetrate and run the pick and roll.
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Posted on 2/27/17 at 8:06 pm to Epic Cajun
Can he defend like Rubio? That's the offset why I would be okay with Rubio even though he can't shoot
Posted on 2/28/17 at 9:03 am to Tin_Food
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If they gel slower than we thought, lose a bunch and end up getting a top 3 pick as a result
This just isn't a real possibility.
They aren't getting closer than 6th worst. We will likely have about a 3% chance at getting a top 3 pick.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 9:17 am to TeddyPadillac
6th has 21.5% of top 3
5th has nearly 30% of top 3
5th has nearly 30% of top 3
Posted on 2/28/17 at 9:30 am to TeddyPadillac
They're in 6th right now 1 game back of 4 and half game back of 5. I don't like leaving our offseason up to ping pong balls so in the middle of the playoffs we can all be like "well frick". But if we finish with a reasonable shot at ping pong balls that means Gentry completely fell on his arse with AD and Cousins.
Hours before we even obtained Cousins in the Cousins thread you fricking idea thieves, got downvoted to hell.
Hours before we even obtained Cousins in the Cousins thread you fricking idea thieves, got downvoted to hell.
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Posted by ShamelessPel online on 2/19/17 at 8:58 pm to SuperSoakher Slightly off topic, if you obtain Cousins is Holiday REALLY the PG you want getting Cousins and Davis the ball? Wouldn't it be better going after a more natural facilitator like Ricky Rubio? I mean Minny seems like they'd give him away almost. Use Holiday as pure salary dump help and go after a 3 who's more enticed by Davis/Cousins than just Davis in free agency
Posted on 2/28/17 at 9:52 am to Chad504boy
They aren't going to finish 6th worst, and if they did, no one should be happy that they closed the season out that shitty.
They aren't going to beat Brooklyn, Philly, LAL, Orlando, Phoenix at being bad.
They are within two games of Minny, Dallas, Charlotte, Portland, Sac and Knicks. The Knicks appear to want to tank.
I'd imagine Charlotte, Dallas and Portland can finish better than them, but i would be shocked if they are worse than the Kincks, Sac, and Minny. That puts them at 9th in that scenario, and they have good chance at being higher than that.
11th is 3% chance at top 3, which is where they should be expected to finish, if not make the playoffs.
8,9 and 10 are 6% chances at top 3. Neither of those odds are good.
They aren't going to beat Brooklyn, Philly, LAL, Orlando, Phoenix at being bad.
They are within two games of Minny, Dallas, Charlotte, Portland, Sac and Knicks. The Knicks appear to want to tank.
I'd imagine Charlotte, Dallas and Portland can finish better than them, but i would be shocked if they are worse than the Kincks, Sac, and Minny. That puts them at 9th in that scenario, and they have good chance at being higher than that.
11th is 3% chance at top 3, which is where they should be expected to finish, if not make the playoffs.
8,9 and 10 are 6% chances at top 3. Neither of those odds are good.
This post was edited on 2/28/17 at 9:53 am
Posted on 2/28/17 at 10:06 am to TeddyPadillac
The Embiid news along with the Simmons news was a real nut kick to the other lottery teams. They'd been playing decent ball and looked poised to finish out strong to start building a better culture there.
I could see Sac finishing out a little better than you'd figure as they have so little to lose. If they get a better pick than Philly they lose it.
Min still has Thibs as coach and they have underwhelmed this year with Dunn being a massive disappointment. They seem intent on making a push at the race for 8.
If you could snipe that 7 spot you leave yourself a 15% chance and hopefully an empty coaching office.
I could see Sac finishing out a little better than you'd figure as they have so little to lose. If they get a better pick than Philly they lose it.
Min still has Thibs as coach and they have underwhelmed this year with Dunn being a massive disappointment. They seem intent on making a push at the race for 8.
If you could snipe that 7 spot you leave yourself a 15% chance and hopefully an empty coaching office.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 10:08 am to TeddyPadillac
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They aren't going to finish 6th worst, and if they did, no one should be happy that they closed the season out that shitty.
Agreed. Holiday needs to get it together. Maybe they need to start Holiday with Jack. I know Jack is terrible on defense, but him recognizing that AD had a mismatch and demanding the ball back to get it to him is the kind of BBIQ play we just aren't used to seeing.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 10:17 am to ShamelessPel
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I could see Sac finishing out a little better than you'd figure as they have so little to lose. If they get a better pick than Philly they lose it.
Thought it was just a swap, not that it matters.
I'd love a great chance at a top 3 pick, but I would not be happy, and neither would AD or Cousins if we suck it up that much. It's on thing to struggle a little, it's another to not get any better over the span of a month.
The pels last 10 games are:
Nuggets
Jazz
Mavs
Kings
Bulls
Nuggets
Nuggets
Warriors
Lakers
Blazers
They should be playing good enough ball to win 7 of those 10 by that time. They do that, and just win 5 of their next 12, they will have 35 wins, and likely won't be a bottom 10 team.
If after 6 weeks together, and 15 games played, they can't make at least a 6 win run against that schedule, i'd not be happy about the outlook of next season.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 10:19 am to Crewz
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Is it possible that Jrue's salary demands go way down as a result (20-23 mil range instead of 30-ish)
If jrue asks for 30 million a year, the pels should laugh him out of the building and not look back.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 10:20 am to TigerinATL
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Agreed. Holiday needs to get it together. Maybe they need to start Holiday with Jack. I know Jack is terrible on defense, but him recognizing that AD had a mismatch and demanding the ball back to get it to him is the kind of BBIQ play we just aren't used to seeing.
How overwhelmed is Jrue that we're suggesting trotting out a 33 year old PG coming off knee surgery who hasn't played well in a couple years to come in and guide the ship with a steady hand? Ooof. Granted I can't disagree with your points, and as shown I felt Jrue wasn't the right fit, but not even my doubts are as bad as his actual play has been. I thought he'd at least be mediocre in the short term.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 10:23 am to ShamelessPel
nvm
This post was edited on 2/28/17 at 10:24 am
Posted on 2/28/17 at 11:04 am to The Pirate King
You have it backwards. Players don't "ask for" money. They get offers. If Philly or Brooklyn offer him a max, that is the market cost for him
Posted on 2/28/17 at 11:45 am to Crewz
Nothing like a little laziness by the SB Nation national writers on the cap situation this summer:
LINK
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The problem is the Pelicans don't have cap space to play with in the summer and there aren't many tradable assets at this point. Barring a Dell Demps miracle, this is pretty much the team they have.
LINK
Posted on 2/28/17 at 11:53 am to LesGeaux45
That's why you should only read me :)
Posted on 2/28/17 at 12:03 pm to LesGeaux45
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Arguably, if the non-Cousins Pelicans run, that gives Cousins a better opportunity to effectively trail. This assumes he gets past half-court before a shot goes up.
Cousins got an easy 3 off of this last game.
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The problem is the Pelicans don't have cap space to play with in the summer and there aren't many tradable assets at this point.
What they said isn't untrue. I like all of the ideas MM has put out about the offseason possibilities, but I find it hard to believe Moore or Hill + 2018 pick can bring in the more desirable players mentioned. That should be the plan, I just think it's going to be really hard to execute. At this point I think we'd be doing well if they stayed above the cap and turn the 2018 pick and MLE into Wilson Chandler and Patty Mills.
This post was edited on 2/28/17 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 2/28/17 at 1:12 pm to TigerinATL
Yeah but for them to claim that the roster you see now is the same as it will be next year is just stupid.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 1:29 pm to LesGeaux45
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Nothing like a little laziness by the SB Nation national writers on the cap situation this summer:
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The problem is the Pelicans don't have cap space to play with in the summer and there aren't many tradable assets at this point. Barring a Dell Demps miracle, this is pretty much the team they have.
Provincialism run amok. Ziller's not particularly wrong here
MM piece talks about them having more flexibility than one would think, sure.
Also talks about capping themselves out for, effectively, a 4 player rotation. And being able to convince teams to make some weird trades (Fournier, Bazemore, Batum, Matthews).
Posted on 2/28/17 at 1:30 pm to TigerinATL
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At this point I think we'd be doing well if they stayed above the cap and turn the 2018 pick and MLE into Wilson Chandler and Patty Mills.
I wouldn't be upset with that.
Ideally the keep Moore, and trade Hill for a starting SF, and then resign DC.
The more Charlotte sucks it up, the better chance they may look to get the of batum
Posted on 2/28/17 at 1:32 pm to Crewz
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If Philly or Brooklyn offer him a max, that is the market cost for him
However you want to phrase it, if Jrue gets offered 30 million/year by another team, he can walk.
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