Possible Upside to Struggles?

That kind of reminds me of how the GSW got Curry for relatively cheap. He was injury prone so how price was driven down then he all of a sudden stopped getting hurt after they signed him to a long term deal.

Not that Jrue is Curry in any way, but I see the point you're making and I agree it's possible.

Anyone that would pay Holiday near a max is just dumb. The guy have missed at least 10 games a season since he has been here and over 100 the past 4 seasons. The guy is incredibly injury prone. I was shocked that Gordon got as much as he did. But that was during the spending spree this summer. I would expect Holiday to get a similar contract (4y/53M) or maybe a bit more. No way I would go over 15M a year for him though. Plus with the influx of young guards coming in, I don't see where there will be a huge demand for him..

Would be nice, but that's a lot of ifs...

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Anyone that would pay Holiday near a max is just dumb.

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Or has cap space to burn. Philly is the big threat to make his price stupid. The other teams with interest can only easily create cap space in the low $20s to go after him. And if you think Holiday is only worth $15 million you're living under the old cap. The deal he's on now, $11 million per, was considered cap friendly because he took a long term deal before the CBA changed and then the CBA changes weren't as bad as people feared. So if 18.9% of the old cap is considered a good deal for Holiday, what's 18.9% of this summer's cap? $19.5 million. If you can get him between $20-$23 like MM said, it's a good deal.

Now whether you want Holiday on your team at all is another question, I know a lot of people here don't like him, but people acting like he's not even worth his cap hold based on an 80% smaller cap are just completely separated from reality of the current NBA economics.

I have heard that about Philly for years and I have never seen them do anything to try and reach the salary floor. They just don't care and aren't really savvy enough to punish other teams that way. When you look at other teams, I don't see a major need at PG. There are 6 PGs projected to go in the top 10 of the draft and the market isn't that bad with vets like Teague, Hill and Rose all being UFA.

Honestly I think we have way overvalued Holiday. He is a decent starting PG (top 15ish). But the injuries have taken a toll and he is sporadic. He is not a leader or a great floor general. I just don't see him getting offered 100+ this summer. People have adjusted to the new cap and should start slotting people better than they did last year. If he gets a contract like someone like Beal, I'd be shocked and it would be a big mistake..

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Thoughts?

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It's makes sense that the same group of players will get better with another entire offseason to develop chemistry.

IMO they're still a quality SG and an upgraded bench away from being a 50 win team.

People here loved to shite on Evans but he and Galloway were precisely the kind of players we've needed the past two games. Evans' ability to score and facilitate off the drive and Gallo's outside shooting are what this team needs in order to click. Not saying it has to be those two players, but their skillsets are what we need in order to be competitive.

No disagreement from me on Simmons

First time I have listened in a while. Even then it was only b/c of the Holiday discussion and O'Connor was on

I'm on a steady diet of Limited Upside, Lowe Post, Open Floor, some Duncd On (a Coon pod coming soon I think), and now Mahoney's Breakaway

no offense :i'llseemyselfout:

feel like i get a lot Pels info here and from reading just about everything BSS and TBW put out. plus, given the state of the team the past couple of years, there's sometimes only so much i can listen to about their sorry state.

use the other pods to catch up on league wide stuff

Try listening to local Baton Rouge radio.

When Tbob Hebert knows the most about your team it's a sad state of affairs.