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re: Official Demps or Gentry Shitcanning Watch Thread
Posted on 5/15/17 at 10:38 am to TigerinATL
Posted on 5/15/17 at 10:38 am to TigerinATL
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Uncle Al got Gentry another year too.
He got him about 25 games imo. Another shitty, slow start and he will be replaced mid to early season
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Posted on 5/15/17 at 10:47 am to Fun Bunch
How long ago would Demps have been fired if he didn't luck into getting AD and Cousins?
Posted on 5/15/17 at 10:58 am to Cap Crunch
Looks like Loomis finally took a break from the Saints to make some basketball decision
Posted on 5/15/17 at 11:07 am to BigDawg0420
Hopefully everyone has it in them to enjoy another mediocre season.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 11:21 am to CP3forMVP
Sad that they wait until day before lottery. If the team pulls a rabbit out of a hat and wins the lottery, it would be a prime location for coaching and GM candidates. Instead, this shuts the door regardless.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 11:29 am to NOSHAU
Yep-- said as much on the pod last night, but we all know this organization does everything backward
In reality, they decided last Wednesday, but still the point remains
As for the scenario where Gentry does bad and is fired 20 games in-- that to me is the worst case scenario. I'd rather fire him now. You'd just have an interim guy for the last 62 and that screams instability to Boogie
Not a fan of that scenario
In reality, they decided last Wednesday, but still the point remains
As for the scenario where Gentry does bad and is fired 20 games in-- that to me is the worst case scenario. I'd rather fire him now. You'd just have an interim guy for the last 62 and that screams instability to Boogie
Not a fan of that scenario
Posted on 5/15/17 at 11:37 am to Crewz
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As for the scenario where Gentry does bad and is fired 20 games in-- that to me is the worst case scenario. I'd rather fire him now. You'd just have an interim guy for the last 62 and that screams instability to Boogie
Not a fan of that scenario
I mean..duh. I didn't say I liked the scenario.
I'm just saying I think that IS the scenario.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 11:42 am to Fun Bunch
I didn't say you liked it! Duh!
Haha-- I am just saying that if a coach is on that think an edge that you would fire him 20 games in if it went bad, fire him now
I mean, Scott Brooks started 2-8 but there was no way they'd fire him or even consider it.
If you are that close to doing it, just do it now. But whatever. This organization.
Haha-- I am just saying that if a coach is on that think an edge that you would fire him 20 games in if it went bad, fire him now
I mean, Scott Brooks started 2-8 but there was no way they'd fire him or even consider it.
If you are that close to doing it, just do it now. But whatever. This organization.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 11:45 am to Crewz
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If you are that close to doing it, just do it now. But whatever. This organization.
100% agree but this cannot be particularly surprising coming from this organization.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 11:59 am to Fun Bunch
I'm curious to know what Plan B for next season is. It sounds like both were close enough to gone that no Cousins trade would mean they're out. So if the seat is that hot is interim GM/HC Ferry/Erman the plan after 25 games and failure, or would they try to hire someone like JVG mid-season? Soon after the trade there was some league sourced info that the team may be interested in a dual GM/HC if they fired Demps/Gentry, but it seemed more like speculation than rumor, and probably speculation with Cal in mind, not JVG.
This post was edited on 5/15/17 at 11:59 am
Posted on 5/15/17 at 12:02 pm to TigerinATL
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Soon after the trade there was some league sourced info that the team may be interested in a dual GM/HC if they fired Demps/Gentry, but it seemed more like speculation than rumor, and probably speculation with Cal in mind, not JVG.
I think that if they perform poorly again and fire Gentry mid-season, that they will make a play for Cal if they think they are at risk of Cousins walking otherwise.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 12:35 pm to NOFOX
Not Renewing Tickets
Posted on 5/15/17 at 1:06 pm to Crewz
quote:Yeah, the thought is supposedly they want stability for Cousins. However, what happens if next year is not good? It would have been better to dump Gentry/Demps now rather than next season when Cousins is up for a contract.
Yep-- said as much on the pod last night, but we all know this organization does everything backward In reality, they decided last Wednesday, but still the point remains As for the scenario where Gentry does bad and is fired 20 games in-- that to me is the worst case scenario. I'd rather fire him now. You'd just have an interim guy for the last 62 and that screams instability to Boogie Not a fan of that scenario
Posted on 5/15/17 at 1:20 pm to NOSHAU
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Yeah, the thought is supposedly they want stability for Cousins. However, what happens if next year is not good? It would have been better to dump Gentry/Demps now rather than next season when Cousins is up for a contract.
It is all about odds and options. If you retain Demps/Gentry, they will either do welll or bomb again. If they bomb, you can fire them and incorporate Cousins/his agent int he search for new GM/coach or make a push for Cal if you think he wants to walk.
On the other hand if you dump them now and you get the wrong coach/GM, there is a bigger risk. If the new coach/GM bombs, then can they fire them after 1 year? They would be putting all of their eggs in one basket. If Cousins doesn't like the new coach/GM and the team loses, then he walks and there isn't much the team can do.
This option is also cheaper.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 1:30 pm to NOSHAU
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It would have been better to dump Gentry/Demps now rather than next season when Cousins is up for a contract.
Let's assume for the sake of argument that Cal is a trump card they feel they can play to keep AD/DC. If you play it now and it doesn't work you may lose both AD/DC. If you play it next year it's still a trump card that gets Cousins to resign and AD to agree to the new extension.
There just is no benefit to playing your trump card now unless you know it will work. I can't think of any HC/GM candidate that I would bet the future of the franchise on making this team way better in 2017-18 than Demps/Gentry would. There just aren't that many difference making coaches in the league. The time to play your trump card is if Demps/Gentry don't work out and you need to give AD/DC a reason to stay.
I like JVG a lot and wanted to hire him 2 years ago, but even if JVG was a name I think AD/DC would buy into, I'd still wait a year. This is the NBA where a key injury can crater just about any team's season even if you hire the perfect coach.
It should be a lot easier to sell AD/DC on a HC/GM that they both like and feel like they helped pick than on the 2nd guy to fail to reach the playoffs after this joke of an organization fired a coach that exceeded expectations and did reach the playoffs.
This post was edited on 5/15/17 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 5/15/17 at 1:35 pm to TigerinATL
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Cal is a trump card
He can't coach in college where he generally has a giant talent advantage. What in the hell is he going to do in the NBA where the chips are relatively even?
This post was edited on 5/15/17 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 5/15/17 at 1:46 pm to TJG210
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What in the hell is he going to do in the NBA where the chips are relatively even?
He may be more salesman than coach, but if he has the charisma to sell his 2 former players on playing for him in the NBA, then you give him the best assistants you can afford and hope for the best. Talent > Coaching in the NBA so if Cal can deliver Cousins/AD and maybe eventually Wall, I can't think of any available coaching candidate that would lead to better results.
Whether Cal is a trump card that can deliver his former players is a question that we can't answer, but the team should have enough exposure to Cal and AD's opinion of him that they should know. And if he's not then you need another big name that you can sell AD/DC on. Maybe that's JVG, maybe it's Messina, maybe it's someone that becomes available next year. Maybe Dallas strikes out in FA, decides to finally let Dirk retire to rebuild and a difference making coach like Rick Carlisle is suddenly available.
I'm using Cal as the obvious example, the basic point of now not being the time to play your trump card still remains.
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