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re: How Low Could Asik Go?
Posted on 6/29/15 at 2:52 pm to TigerinATL
Posted on 6/29/15 at 2:52 pm to TigerinATL
I tried looking for it and couldn't find it either. Possibly the old CBA.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 4:12 pm to Epic Cajun
This is still the biggest question I go back and forth on. I know Dell won't just let him walk, but how much leverage will Asik really have? Who gives up cap room for him? What team has him as one of the 5 most desired players on their list? heck, top 10?
Does he wait around for 3-4 teams to completely strike out just to hope to get an offer, or does he take what he can get from the Pels before they consider moving on?
I would love to see these negotiations more than any other this summer. Really intrigues me.
Does he wait around for 3-4 teams to completely strike out just to hope to get an offer, or does he take what he can get from the Pels before they consider moving on?
I would love to see these negotiations more than any other this summer. Really intrigues me.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 4:23 pm to Crewz
quote:Can you see a 1 year deal with a team option (in order to maintain flexibility next offseason) or is that too optimistic?
This is still the biggest question I go back and forth on. I know Dell won't just let him walk, but how much leverage will Asik really have? Who gives up cap room for him? What team has him as one of the 5 most desired players on their list? heck, top 10? Does he wait around for 3-4 teams to completely strike out just to hope to get an offer, or does he take what he can get from the Pels before they consider moving on? I would love to see these negotiations more than any other this summer. Really intrigues me.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 4:23 pm to Crewz
I still think it's mutually beneficial for Asik to take a one or two-year deal with a player option for the third. This way he can return to his Houston form and increase his value under Gentry. Also, he can test the market in a year or two to go elsewhere.
This also gives us more value in a trade, if needed, to move more to a small ball lineup or to go out and get someone slightly younger with the same or similar skill set. I'm not sure who that guy is, but nonetheless I think that could work out for all parties.
This also gives us more value in a trade, if needed, to move more to a small ball lineup or to go out and get someone slightly younger with the same or similar skill set. I'm not sure who that guy is, but nonetheless I think that could work out for all parties.
Posted on 6/30/15 at 9:17 am to Epic Cajun
LINK /
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But watch Asik. There are rumblings in front office and coaching circles that teams will be a touch more daring next season going small against so-so pick-and-roll finishers and bigs who struggle to score on the block. In the end, Timofey Mozgov and Tristan Thompson could really only punish Golden State’s small-ball groups with offensive rebounds; when someone passed them the ball, they couldn’t do any damage. And on defense, Mozgov simply wasn’t fast enough to keep up with Golden State’s skittering.
Just catching the ball on the pick-and-roll can be an issue for Asik. He has no post game or midrange jumper. The market for him might be cooler than it was a month ago. Asik is an elite offensive rebounder, but we may be learning that small-ball teams can gang up on one such player — that it really takes two board-crashers for the equation to tilt back in favor of big ball. The Pistons will be a good test of this if Monroe walks and Andre Drummond has to work as a one-man wrecking crew against teams who might risk some small ball against him.
Posted on 6/30/15 at 9:25 am to THRILLHO
Asik can pretty much hold the rest of our offseason hostage, right? Because we need him to sign with us to get the MLE and BAE, or we need to renounce our cap space and then we can use our exceptions?
Posted on 6/30/15 at 9:32 am to Fun Bunch
Also in that article:
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8. Does the Mid-Level Get You Anything?
The mid-level exception is only for teams over the cap; it allows them to sign someone for an annual salary up to $5.5 million. It has been a crucial roster-building tool for a decade-plus, and it will basically cease to exist after this summer, since almost no one will be over the cap.
I’m not 100 percent sure what that means for the market. Perhaps no player will even accept a multiyear deal at the mid-level, since it would take them out of next summer’s derby. Teams may push harder for multiyear mid-level deals, since they won’t have a chance to use that tool again for a couple of seasons. They might even reach for someone who can’t sniff mid-level cash from anyone else, and coax him into a three-year deal at what could turn into a great price. If you think Kyle O’Quinn has some unrealized upside, and no one is offering him more than $3 million per season, why not see if you can get him on a three-year, $12 million with the mid-level?
It’s a small unknown in a summer that is one giant unknown. Even if the player movement isn’t as fast and furious as we might hope, the dynamics behind this summer’s free agency are going to be fascinating. Buckle up.
Posted on 6/30/15 at 9:33 am to Fun Bunch
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Because we need him to sign with us to get the MLE and BAE
Incorrect. Look at this table:
Take away Asik's cap hold, Douglas, Babbit, Jimmer and Ajinca but leave the MLE and BAE on the books and we're still over the cap at $67.4 million. You have to renounce exceptions to get under the cap.
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[from a question on what's counted towards the salary cap] A cap hold for the combined amount of any Mid-Level, Bi-Annual, Disabled Player (see question number 25) and trade exceptions (see question number 85) available to the team (see question number 26), if the team is under the salary cap. (Teams may renounce these exceptions, in which case they no longer are included in team salary.)
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If you use them rather than renounce them, you aren't under the cap.
Posted on 6/30/15 at 10:03 am to TigerinATL
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Scott Kushner ?@ScottDKushner 1 minute ago
The #Pelicans-Asik negotiations are strange. Tons of FA Cs on market, but NO can only go after him for Bird rights. Leverage runs both ways
Pay me or enjoy bringing back Stiemsma? Is that really where these negotiations are heading? We don't want to insult him with $6 million out of the gate, but all we really need to do is beat the market enough that he wants to stay here. It's not our fault if the market is changing in a bad way for him.
Posted on 6/30/15 at 10:06 am to TigerinATL
It just means to me that he's not going to get a drastic overpay, but he's not going to get some ridiculously low deal either.
Posted on 6/30/15 at 10:17 am to Fun Bunch
Moving my prediction down from 4/40 to 4/36. If it is descending then it will be very movable down the road.
Posted on 6/30/15 at 10:20 am to Solo
I think 3 years is where it maxes out unless we are getting some super sweetheart deal.
Posted on 6/30/15 at 10:25 am to Fun Bunch
Another 3 for 25 deal seems fair.
Posted on 6/30/15 at 11:34 am to Crewz
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I know Dell won't just let him walk, but how much leverage will Asik really have?
Asik not much, but his agent Arn Tellem has some pull.
Posted on 6/30/15 at 3:07 pm to TigerinATL
I could see a listing for " Asik according to Pels fans" and "Asik according to everyone else". Not sure who would be right though
Posted on 6/30/15 at 3:45 pm to NOFOX
Arn Tellem is no longer an agent.
Posted on 6/30/15 at 3:57 pm to Epic Cajun
Crazy how most of you were willing to give him $13 million a few months ago, and now the consensus is $8-10, and some are unhappy about that, or the 1 year deal.
I was in the minority with those feelings for a long time. Glad most of you came to your senses.
I was in the minority with those feelings for a long time. Glad most of you came to your senses.
Posted on 6/30/15 at 4:03 pm to TeddyPadillac
Maybe he will thing hitting free agency again next year will be advantageous to him and accept a 1 year deal.
Posted on 6/30/15 at 4:03 pm to TeddyPadillac
Well his market went down drastically when he was rendered utterly useless vs the Warriors. At one point his market was much higher than it is now. If the Warriors would have won playing Bogut 35+ minutes per night that would have caused Asik's value to rise, but that didn't happen and his (along with most big men's) weaknesses were exposed.
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