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Posted on 6/29/15 at 9:59 am to THRILLHO
Apparently I should learn how to read 
Posted on 6/29/15 at 10:00 am to corndeaux
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That's selling Asik a little low.
I think it's safe to say everyone above him will likely go for more money than he does. Does he have a better market than everyone other than maybe Brandan Wright in the tier I put him at the top of? Yes, but I'm just trying to illustrate where he is in line. And the other guys may be worse, but they will probably be cheaper which matters and can drag down Asik's price. If we had plenty of cap space to work with rather than exceptions, would you pay Asik $10+ rather than $5 or less for Biyombo? I don't think Asik is twice as good as Biyombo any more than I think Jordan is twice as good as Asik, although people acted like I was crazy when I said that because apparently DJ is some new basketball Jesus or something, and Asik of course is the Devil.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 10:00 am to Fun Bunch
The fact that keeping Asik provides this team more flexibility would increase his value, right? He could demand 10-13 a year, and we would still likely pay it, I would assume. Afterall, it has no effect on staying under the cap since we are, essentially, already over it.
While I would love to sign him to a 2/12 deal, he would likely demand a bigger contract because of his added flexibility. So, I could see us signing him to a 1 year deal worth the difference of the rest of the team's salary and the luxury tax just to keep us under it. I'm on my phone, so I'm not going to research that number.
While I would love to sign him to a 2/12 deal, he would likely demand a bigger contract because of his added flexibility. So, I could see us signing him to a 1 year deal worth the difference of the rest of the team's salary and the luxury tax just to keep us under it. I'm on my phone, so I'm not going to research that number.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 10:00 am to Solo
quote:Hoping for a 1 or 2 year deal. I would not want him tying up our flexibility next offseason.
I think he signs with the Pels for 4/40.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 10:03 am to leRev
I don't think there is any way that he gets more than 12 per year (probably not more than 11).
Posted on 6/29/15 at 10:05 am to TigerinATL
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Boston is really the only team with cap space I think could have interest. They don't have a rim protector and did have interest in trading for him before Brooklyn paid them to take MT5. However, he won't be the first or probably 2nd FA on their list, and if they do something like throw a max at Tobias Harris, they won't have enough left over to go 4/$40 on Asik.
They could do a S & T. They have tons of future firsts, and two large Trade Exceptions (Teyshaun Prince/ $7.7 million and Rondo/ $12.9 million), plus several smallish ones at league minimum equivalent.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 10:07 am to leRev
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While I would love to sign him to a 2/12 deal, he would likely demand a bigger contract because of his added flexibility.
While I'm sure his agent will argue that, we aren't bidding against ourselves, we're bidding against 29 other teams. Boston seems like the most likely candidate to play the one a-hole that drives up his price, but even then I don't see them going higher than $10.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 10:11 am to Epic Cajun
I mean, would you rather sign him to a one year deal for 15MM - as long as it's under the luxury tax - and maintain the MLE and BAE with the added benefit of more cap space next offseason? Or would you rather sign him long term to a 9MM a year deal to maintain the exceptions?
The magnitude of salary this year really doesn't matter. Might as well sign him for a single year for however much he wants instead of keeping that salary on the books for a few seasons. That is if the main goal is to run wild in free agency next year anyway.
Not signing him would kill our flexibility unless we swap centers in a S&T.
The magnitude of salary this year really doesn't matter. Might as well sign him for a single year for however much he wants instead of keeping that salary on the books for a few seasons. That is if the main goal is to run wild in free agency next year anyway.
Not signing him would kill our flexibility unless we swap centers in a S&T.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 10:14 am to HickfawJim1
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They could do a S & T
Which would require our cooperation. If Boston signs Harris for $15 and keeps Crowder for $3-$4 then they'd be under $5 million in cap space. If we wanted to keep Asik they couldn't out bid us because they wouldn't have the cap space to do it. Now could they use a 1st to move Gerald Wallace? Sure, but would they trade a 1st for the right to sign Asik and pay him at least $10 per with so many other alternatives on the market?
Posted on 6/29/15 at 10:14 am to TigerinATL
Fair enough. On the open market he demands about 8, I would assume. He's worth more to us than 8 if it lets us keep the exceptions. Otherwise, it would kill our depth for next season. That's why I'm thinking he could demand over 10.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 10:14 am to leRev
I agree with you and would like for them to do a 1 year deal with Asik, but I think anything over ~$12m + the MLE + BAE is going to be really close to the tax.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 10:16 am to leRev
Obviously 1 year deal would be ideal.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 10:18 am to THRILLHO
Posted on 6/29/15 at 10:19 am to THRILLHO
Seriously, the IRS tax code has to be easier to understand than the NBA salary cap.
I've resigned to accepting the fact that Asik will be a Pelican next year and we will get some mid-level guy at the 3. Is that right?
I've resigned to accepting the fact that Asik will be a Pelican next year and we will get some mid-level guy at the 3. Is that right?
Posted on 6/29/15 at 10:21 am to Epic Cajun
I am thinking it will be a 2yr deal with a third year option (player) at around $9-10 annually. This is mutually beneficially to both parties as we have a legit (I know that's arguable) big to pair with AD and Jrue while still allowing us cap flexibility to add another piece next offseason. It also allows Asik to enter free agency in 2 years wth less big men on the market to up his value.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 10:26 am to Suntiger
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Asik will be a Pelican next year and we will get some mid-level guy at the 3. Is that right?
That is likely yes, but there is so much potential big movement that you never know what trades will happen. I just read one proposed on The Bird Writes where we'd be part of a 3 way Cousins trade with the Clippers, it's only a little crazy.
Pels get DeAndre Jordan S&T, Rudy Gay
Clips get Cousins
Kings get Jamal Crawford, Tyreke, Ryno, Asik S&T and a 1st from Clips and Pels
LINK
Worse trades have gone down than that, especially when you have toxic coach/player relationships in the mix.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 10:26 am to TigerinATL
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Keep in mind this would provide us with no functional cap space, it'd be more about either locking him in long term at a relatively cheap price, or maintaining cap flexibility for next year.
You need to offer him at least enough in year one to keep us over the salary cap. A declining deal would be great as it would keep our exceptions intact while providing more space as Gordon and Anderson expire with the big cap bump next year.
I wonder if 9.5/8.5/7.5/6.5 would be enough. That's $8M per year and a friendly structure.
This post was edited on 6/29/15 at 10:29 am
Posted on 6/29/15 at 10:27 am to TigerinATL
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Which would require our cooperation. If Boston signs Harris for $15 and keeps Crowder for $3-$4 then they'd be under $5 million in cap space. If we wanted to keep Asik they couldn't out bid us because they wouldn't have the cap space to do it. Now could they use a 1st to move Gerald Wallace? Sure, but would they trade a 1st for the right to sign Asik and pay him at least $10 per with so many other alternatives on the market?
That's assuming all of those players will leave their current teams. The first thing you have to consider is who stays put? I honestly think most of the available bigs (including Asik but that's irrelevant to this hypo) just re-up on short deals. That shrinks the pool significantly. If they strike out on a max big, then it's not beyond the realm of possibility that Asik would be the best available big left on the market.
This post was edited on 6/29/15 at 10:29 am
Posted on 6/29/15 at 10:29 am to TigerinATL
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would you pay Asik $10+ rather than $5 or less for Biyombo?
On this year's Pelicans? Yes.
I like the potential of Biyombo (still 22!), but, unless they really believe he can replicate everything Asik does right now (I don't), it's a step back for the team. They can't afford any steps back at this point.
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