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How Low Could Asik Go?
Posted on 6/29/15 at 8:50 am
Posted on 6/29/15 at 8:50 am
This is probably the worst possible time for Asik to be a Free Agent. There are countless starting caliber centers on the market and several high quality backups/fringe starters like Koufos/Wright, and the last thing people remember about Asik was being ineffective in the playoffs. On today's BSS podcast they were speculating if he could possibly go as low as the MLE range. They cited Tom Ziller's list of top 100 Free Agents where Asik was #47 next to Al Farouq Aminu and Jordan Hill.
Could Asik really go that low? When you consider Hibbert is an expiring available for trade and Miami is looking to create cap space by giving away Birdman, I can see Asik being near the end of a very long line. Is that line long enough to push him out of the cap space line and into MLE line?
Better than Asik:
Marc Gasol
DeMarcus Cousins (trade block?)
DeAndre Jordan
Brook Lopez
Greg Monroe
Roy Hibbert (trade block)
Tyson Chandler
Enes Kanter RFA
Robin Lopez
Kosta Koufos
Same Tier as Asik:
Omer Asik
Brandan Wright
Pero Antic RFA
Bismack Biyombo RFA
Jordan Hill
Lower Tier but Lower Priced:
Kendrick Perkins
Chris Anderson (trade block)
Alexis Ajinca
Jason Smith
Joel Freeland RFA
Kevin Seraphin
First before anyone gets too excited, this is a question, not a projection, I'm still expecting $8-$10 per year or a 1 year overpay. But are the alternatives so plentiful that Demps can wait Asik out and lowball him? If that does happen and you can get Asik for $6-$8 million how do you structure the deal? 5/$40? 2/$12 with a player option? Somewhere in between? Keep in mind this would provide us with no functional cap space, it'd be more about either locking him in long term at a relatively cheap price, or maintaining cap flexibility for next year.
Could Asik really go that low? When you consider Hibbert is an expiring available for trade and Miami is looking to create cap space by giving away Birdman, I can see Asik being near the end of a very long line. Is that line long enough to push him out of the cap space line and into MLE line?
Better than Asik:
Marc Gasol
DeMarcus Cousins (trade block?)
DeAndre Jordan
Brook Lopez
Greg Monroe
Roy Hibbert (trade block)
Tyson Chandler
Enes Kanter RFA
Robin Lopez
Kosta Koufos
Same Tier as Asik:
Omer Asik
Brandan Wright
Pero Antic RFA
Bismack Biyombo RFA
Jordan Hill
Lower Tier but Lower Priced:
Kendrick Perkins
Chris Anderson (trade block)
Alexis Ajinca
Jason Smith
Joel Freeland RFA
Kevin Seraphin
First before anyone gets too excited, this is a question, not a projection, I'm still expecting $8-$10 per year or a 1 year overpay. But are the alternatives so plentiful that Demps can wait Asik out and lowball him? If that does happen and you can get Asik for $6-$8 million how do you structure the deal? 5/$40? 2/$12 with a player option? Somewhere in between? Keep in mind this would provide us with no functional cap space, it'd be more about either locking him in long term at a relatively cheap price, or maintaining cap flexibility for next year.
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Posted on 6/29/15 at 8:53 am to TigerinATL
I wish we had just a bit more cap room so that we could pursue Chandler and let Asik walk.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 9:13 am to TigerinATL
I've been listening to a RealGM podcast where one host pretends to be each major FA, one host represents all East teams and the third all West teams. I was curious to see what they had Asik getting (they may still get to him), but they just had the Pels signing TC to a 4 year deal, starting at $9m this season + max raises each year. 
They were off on things (we don't have the $9m without letting guys walk, they didn't get the whole Asik/MLE situation we're in, and they didn't think we could possibly have cap space space season). It's kind of a fun podcast though.
They were off on things (we don't have the $9m without letting guys walk, they didn't get the whole Asik/MLE situation we're in, and they didn't think we could possibly have cap space space season). It's kind of a fun podcast though.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 9:15 am to TigerinATL
Either one of the Lopez brothers would be an upgrade with Brook being a pipe dream to get him... Koufos played some really good minutes in the playoffs for Memphis and IMO would be an upgrade over Asik. I'm not a fan of Asik never was even when he was serviceable in Houston... If I were the GM and he was the only option it would definitely be the 2/$12 option. That gives us time to evaluate him in Gentry's system without overpaying or locking him up for too long.
Question what does the the 3M will are suppose to get from Philly do for us if not anything this year? How is that applied or even affect the salary cap?
Question what does the the 3M will are suppose to get from Philly do for us if not anything this year? How is that applied or even affect the salary cap?
Posted on 6/29/15 at 9:21 am to LSU_Richoux
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How is that applied or even affect the salary cap?
It's not. It's just money in the bank for the team, not cap space.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 9:23 am to LSU_Richoux
It doesn't. It goes in Benson's pocket.
Anyway, we have to pay him enough to take us over the cap so we can use our exceptions. I've been saying for a while that people on here were grossly exaggerating how much he was going to make. At one point people were saying 15 million! Get real.
It all depends on their strategy for next year. If they want to go into next year for maximum cap space to make a splash, you try for the one year over pay. If not, 2/12 makes a lot of sense. Would be a good deal.
Anyway, we have to pay him enough to take us over the cap so we can use our exceptions. I've been saying for a while that people on here were grossly exaggerating how much he was going to make. At one point people were saying 15 million! Get real.
It all depends on their strategy for next year. If they want to go into next year for maximum cap space to make a splash, you try for the one year over pay. If not, 2/12 makes a lot of sense. Would be a good deal.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 9:24 am to LSU_Richoux
nvm yall are faster than me
This post was edited on 6/29/15 at 9:25 am
Posted on 6/29/15 at 9:26 am to Fun Bunch
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Anyway, we have to pay him enough to take us over the cap so we can use our exceptions
I'm almost certain that since we have his Bird Rights, we can sign him for whatever amount and then operate as if we were over the cap, even if his contract doesn't actually put us over the cap.
I.e. Say we have $6m in space, we sign him for $5m this year, we can then tell the NBA "pretend that we're over the cap so that we can use our exceptions."
Can't do that with any non Bird Rights guys, though.
This post was edited on 6/29/15 at 9:29 am
Posted on 6/29/15 at 9:28 am to THRILLHO
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'm almost certain that since we have his Bird Rights, we can sign him for whatever amount and then operate as if we were over the cap, even if his contract doesn't actually put us over the cap.
That I did not know. Interesting.
5 year deal worth 10 million total then.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 9:30 am to Fun Bunch
I'm pretty sure it can be done. I only remember one season where we had ~$3m in space heading into FA and forgoing that space to use the MLE/BAE was an option.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 9:33 am to Fun Bunch
quote:
we have to pay him enough to take us over the cap so we can use our exceptions.
Not quite right. You renounce exceptions to get cap space. If Asik walks, while that does give us about $5.5 million in cap space if you dump everything dumpable, you don't have to dump anything. Keep all your other cap holds and exceptions in place and that keeps you over the cap.
I'm having trouble finding it now, but the article TBWs did on our cap situation near the end of the year is a good visualization because it lists not only the player salaries, but the exceptions on the cap. The negative with Asik walking is it forces you to make a trade or burn the MLE on a replacement rather than an addition. Now in the scenario that you let Asik walk because you want cap space, then it burns your exceptions too. Like trying to turn Asik into Brandan Wright would be terrible roster management because it'd cost more than Asik to get him with cap space.
This post was edited on 6/29/15 at 9:37 am
Posted on 6/29/15 at 9:36 am to TigerinATL
Yeah if we can get Asik for cheap it is an absolute no brainer. Have to do it.
Gives us a Center, makes him easily, easily tradeable in future years, allows us to keep our exceptions, keeps us further away from the Tax Line, and we are still in play for a major FA next offseason.
2/12 sounds pretty damn good.
Gives us a Center, makes him easily, easily tradeable in future years, allows us to keep our exceptions, keeps us further away from the Tax Line, and we are still in play for a major FA next offseason.
2/12 sounds pretty damn good.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 9:43 am to TigerinATL
quote:
The negative with Asik walking is it forces you to make a trade or burn the MLE on a replacement rather than an addition. And in the scenario that you let Asik walk because you want cap space, then it burns your exceptions too. Like Trying to turn Asik into Brandan Wright would be terrible roster management because it'd cost more than Asik to get him with cap space.
this needs to be on a post-it note attached to every asik/FA/MLE thread from here on out
Posted on 6/29/15 at 9:47 am to cgrand
Just finished the RealGM podcast. Asik was the very last guy they played the free agency game with. They had Asik to Boston for 4/$40, but the host said that it was an overpay and that he didn't expect Asik to get that much.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 9:49 am to TigerinATL
quote:
Same Tier as Asik:
Omer Asik
Brandan Wright
Pero Antic RFA
Bismack Biyombo RFA
Jordan Hill
That's selling Asik a little low. He's better than all of those guys at his primary skills- defending the paint and rebounding. No good team can start any of those guys over a full season. We just saw Asik play great post ASB and help the Pels get into the playoffs.
I'd say he's on the Lopez/Koufos level (I put RoLo slightly above for the sheer ridiculousness of his mascot jihad). And I think he's better than Kanter, even though Kanter will score. Someone at BSS or TBW made the point that people are over emphasizing the GS series. It was most obvious going into that series that Asik would play a limited role; that the Pels didn't have many other credible options isn't an Asik problem. 4 games in a bad matchup shouldn't determine his entire value.
Fun Bunch- I was one who thought he would get about $12-$13M/year. That looks to be very wrong. And I'm happy about it. I highly doubt he goes for MLE, but $8-$10 seems very realistic. I think a team like Boston will be interested in him, RoLo, or Koufos around that number.
Thrillho-
Is that the Dunc'd On pod? This post was edited on 6/29/15 at 9:50 am
Posted on 6/29/15 at 9:52 am to corndeaux
Yeah, 2 hours long. It was a bit ridiculous, but a good was to pass the time as background noise.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 9:52 am to THRILLHO
quote:
Asik to Boston for 4/$40
Boston is really the only team with cap space I think could have interest. They don't have a rim protector and did have interest in trading for him before Brooklyn paid them to take MT5. However, he won't be the first or probably 2nd FA on their list, and if they do something like throw a max at Tobias Harris, they won't have enough left over to go 4/$40 on Asik.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 9:53 am to TigerinATL
I'm listening to the Dunc'd On podcast and they are doing an offseason mock for all of free agency. They decided on letting Asik walk from the Pels and signing Tyson Chandler for 9 mil per, which means they made a mistake or they are assuming the Pels rescind everyone else. I think that would give them about 8.9 mil including minimum cap holds, unless I'm missing something.
I'll update when they throw out a number for Asik.
ETA: I see Thrill already mentioned this.
I'll update when they throw out a number for Asik.
ETA: I see Thrill already mentioned this.
This post was edited on 6/29/15 at 9:59 am
Posted on 6/29/15 at 9:54 am to THRILLHO
quote:
2 hours long
Yeah. They love to dork out. I listened to a few of them throughout the playoffs. I'll check that one out for marathon listening. They also started doing team off season reviews/previews. No Pels yet, I believe. But I'm curious to hear what they say.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 9:54 am to Epic Cajun
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Epic Cajun
Shame.
Shame.
Shame.
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