re: True Detective (Collective Theories Thread)

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I think Rusty is in some kind of deep cover way off the grid working the case.

I think the rift between he and Marty that has been alluded to is a ruse and they are working together.

I think it is someone involved in some kind of satanic group that is well entrenched politically. The rift between the two and Rustys current situation are all just their way of throwing off the heat they were facing and opening up doors.

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This is my working theory after last nights episode.

I think that Audrey (the slutty daughter) is killed in 2002. The powers that be use this to get Marty (and by extension Rusty) taken off of the case.

At this point Rusty figures that Audrey being murdered had more to do with trying to get him off the case than Marty. He realizes that the people pulling the strings know enough about him to know that he won't just give up just because it's not "his case". The next logical step would be to kill him to permanently remove him from the situation (a move that would be much less suspicious now that it's not even his case and they can easily pin his murder on one or more of the criminals he has worked with while he was undercover).

Needing space and time to find out exactly who is involved and knowing that somebody politically connected wants him dead , Rusty brings his career in Law Enforcement to an end and decides to go off the grid. A grieving and pissed off Marty initially offers to go with him to figure out who killed his daughter, but Rusty needs a man still on the inside.

He knows that if he just up and quits directly after being taken off the case TBTB will keep an extra close eye on Marty to make sure he is not giving Rusty police resources to work the case or worse use Marty or his family to get to Rusty (because at this point Marty and Maggie are the closest thing to family he's got).

To throw the scent off and fool people into believing that Rusty is the last person that Marty would risk his neck for they stage a "Falling Out". They have a public argument about some kind of betrayal (like Rusty sleeping with Marty's wife or something like that) and Rusty quits on the spot and immediately goes to ground.

So for 8 years Rusty has been working the case and identifying the players and Marty has been giving him help where he can.

Why does it work? Although we have been led to believe in the beginning that Marty and Rusty were never really friends, the evidence has shown that to be just another lie to the 2 current detectives. Look at Rusty's life before he met Marty (living in a bare threads apartment and no friends) and after (He allows Marty and Maggie to drag him into their personal problems and lets them set him up with Maggie's friends. You think he would let just anybody inconvenience him like that?)

Also look at Marty's attitude towards them accusing Rusty this past episode. He was pissed off and more than a little protective. Also in the previews they show Maggie taking up for Rusty. So why lie how close they are to him?

TLDR version- Rust and Marty have been playing everyone for fools for years and are gonna wreck shop real soon

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She's a teenager doing a teenager thing by rebelling. She most likely found out about her dad's affair which pushed her down her path. It's just a side story.

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Completely disagree. Yeah...she's a teenager, but she was exhibiting strange behavior well before her teenage years. She had her younger sister "sacrificing" a naked barbie doll with her when they were little, she drew explicitly sexual drawings at school when she was still little, and also drew the same swirly pattern we have come to associate with the Yellow King. She has been a little off since we first met her back in the first episode.

Not to mention the spiral drawing, and telling Marty that he wouldn't understand why she behaves the way she does. Also, Marty has repeatedly mentioned that it "was right under his nose". I think she died in 02 and grandpa and/or Maggie are involved with the cult. I'm pretty positive grandpa is, don't know about Maggie.

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I think Rusty is in some kind of deep cover way off the grid working the case....The rift between the two and Rustys current situation are all just their way of throwing off the heat they were facing and opening up doors.

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This fits in with the cyclical storytelling concept. Rust has already gone off the reservation once under the guise of personal time and had marty cover for him.

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It was taped to the wall in their house.

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Marty's?

Yeah. There's a screenshot floating around somewhere.

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If this were real life I would agree with your premise, but this is an 8-hour movie about two cops trying to solve a mystery surrounding a cult. These things are shown to us for a reason.

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Also, they had an entire scene that focused on her wearing a crown last night. Too many clues for her not to be involved.

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TLDR version- Rust and Marty have been playing everyone for fools for years and are gonna wreck shop real soon

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Dude you have too much time on your hands...

I like your theory though.

What about the oldest daughter getting wrapped up in the cult and luring her little sister to it where the little sister ( the good girl) is sacrificed as an innocent. Audrey has been fricked up since childhood and hits her lil sis in the head the night she gangbangs and Marty slaps her. I can see that as an evil/good twist in the show.

Cohle knows more about the Dora Lange killing than anyone is aware of, including the audience.

1. In episode 1 when they first get to the crime scene, Cohle is describing the bruises on Dora's body and says, "She'd been on her back a while, before he moved her."

This struck me because we had just seen that it was in fact only one man moving her body and posing it on the tree and then setting the fire. Cohle seems immediately certain that it was one man, even though that's a big conclusion to jump to.

2. Later at the crime scene Cohle says, "This is gonna happen again, or it's happened before. Both."

This line is strikingly similar to what Ledoux says right before he dies in episode 5. How this was gonna happen again and he knows what happens next. It's funny because 2012 Cohle seems convinced that time is a flat circle. In that sense, Cohle would be right, that Dora Lange's murder has happened before and will happen again.

Also, why does he assume that this has happened before? All the police around are saying they haven't seen anything like it in their lives. One cop says to Hart "You ever see anything like this?" and Hart says "No sir, in 8 years of CID." But Cohle just nonchalantly says this has happened before and will happen again. Seems like he knows something no one else knows, including us, the audience.

Just some thoughts after rewatching the first episode.