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re: True Detective (Collective Theories Thread)
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:06 am to rebeloke
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:06 am to rebeloke
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The comment about the murderer has done this before and will do it again is easily explained. No one does that elaborate a scene without building up to it
Pure conjecture. No one there had ever seen anything like it, so it's obviously unusual for the area. Everyone they talk to about the case mentions the deer antlers and how weird that was.
But I really think the line was put in there just to mirror Ledoux's comment in episode 5.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:12 am to Stonehog
I think the influence of the 4th dimension is seen more in the interview than at the crime scene. I like conjecture but the fact is that is serial killer 101 stuff. Rust had a mountain of textbooks at his apartment. Serial killers usually start smaller and once they go big they don't just retire.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:22 am to rebeloke
What do you mean by start smaller?
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:37 am to Stonehog
That murder scene was elaborate, it had a corpse clearly positioned with obvious ornamentation in the antlers and accessories in the devil catchers and backdrop. A first time killer doesn't get that far and isn't that well rehearsed. They usually kill the victim and just dump them somewhere. By the time you see a victim displayed on that level, they have killed many before and once they get that far they will not stop. Serial killers have no choice they are narcissistic and have an uncontrollable appetite for the game. This killer is too far gone to stop and that is what Rust is making reference to in that scene.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:49 am to rebeloke
I'm not arguing that the person that killed Dora Lange had killed before. But Cohle says "this has happened before."
Problem is it hadn't happened before, not like that. But as I said, the line is really just there to connect it to Ledoux's line in episode 5 that is eerily similar. In that sense, it actually had happened before, literally. It's on the same timeline inside the flat circle.
Problem is it hadn't happened before, not like that. But as I said, the line is really just there to connect it to Ledoux's line in episode 5 that is eerily similar. In that sense, it actually had happened before, literally. It's on the same timeline inside the flat circle.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 3:14 am to Stonehog
No in fact he is making reference to the elaborate nature of the death. The wounds indicated a ritual killing. He meant this type of ritual killing had occurred before. The first step would have been a ritual killing. The next step would have been to put it on public display. Rust then searches for a prior victim. He finds Reggie's girl friend whom they thought had died in the flood of Andrew. The wounds were just like Dora's and she had the mark. That was what he was referencing by saying "this" had happened before. Do not force the metaphysics into the plot prior to the introduction of the philosophy by Reggie. 17 years later Rust is effected by that thought but not at the time of his investigating the murder of Dora at that crime scene. Episode 3 makes the point that he was right in suspecting other victims. It was kind of a big deal.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 3:25 am to rebeloke
I agree with rebeloke on all that. I think you're worrying too much about his words and over analyzing him saying "this has happened before". Simply means a serial killer with that type of display ain't no rookie. Doesn't have to mean it's happened in the same area or even with that kind of display
This post was edited on 2/19/14 at 3:26 am
Posted on 2/19/14 at 3:33 am to rebeloke
Another line from Cohle in that first episode:
And lines like "This is gonna happen again, or it's happened before. Both" don't happen in a vacuum either. You can't disregard the similarity of that line and Ledoux's just because it came in the first episode.
It's not forcing metaphysics into the plot if they were there all along. Right under your nose, so to speak.
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This kind of thing does not happen in a vacuum.
And lines like "This is gonna happen again, or it's happened before. Both" don't happen in a vacuum either. You can't disregard the similarity of that line and Ledoux's just because it came in the first episode.
It's not forcing metaphysics into the plot if they were there all along. Right under your nose, so to speak.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 3:39 am to rebeloke
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17 years later Rust is effected by that thought but not at the time of his investigating the murder of Dora at that crime scene
I never even suggested that, I just said the lines were similar.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 3:39 am to Stonehog
Wrong again. This kind thing doesn't happen in a vacuum is supporting what I am saying. No one just appears out of nowhere as a serial killer. They mature. Look at the next two episodes. He works diligently to find the previous victims. Marty thinks he is wasting his time until they find Reggie's girl friend. Rewatch the first three episodes. You will see.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 4:09 am to rebeloke
I already said I agree that it's not this person's first murder. Never argued that.
Can you not admit that his line is similar to Ledoux's? That all I ever said in the first place.
Can you not admit that his line is similar to Ledoux's? That all I ever said in the first place.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 7:42 am to Stonehog
Irony is all I see, maybe a foreshadow but not a literal meaning. It is one thing to say that is ironic. It is another thing to say Rust implies the 4th dimension. In the script and as a matter of understanding the 4th dimension is not present until they arrest Ledoux. Now in episode 5 you can look back and find all the irony you want. Rust in that scene is directly stating that was not the first victim, which was upsetting because it implied serial killer and not just isolated murderer.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 7:46 am to rebeloke
Has someone posted this gizmodo article yet?
The Significance of The Yellow King
Articles and my theory is that absolutely everything about this show was done for one purpose.....to encite chaos in the audience. To cause threads like this on message boards. To wreak havoc on our minds. Nothing particularly matters. It's all a ruse. Including even interviews about future seasons and such.
The Significance of The Yellow King
Articles and my theory is that absolutely everything about this show was done for one purpose.....to encite chaos in the audience. To cause threads like this on message boards. To wreak havoc on our minds. Nothing particularly matters. It's all a ruse. Including even interviews about future seasons and such.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 8:06 am to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
That was the first article I linked on the Episode 5 thread. It got me going for sure. No doubt about the truth of that article.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 10:50 am to rebeloke
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It is another thing to say Rust implies the 4th dimension
Jesus Christ dude I never said that either.
If you've watched episode 5, then go back and rewatch episode 1, you can't look at Cohle's line from episode 1 the same way. You seriously think that's just a coincidence? They say the exact same thing, verbatim: "This is gonna happen again."
This show is written meticulously, yet you keep claiming that the two lines have nothing to do with with each other. Open your eyes man. Pizzolatto writes this story for years and you think the similarity between the two lines is irony?!
This post was edited on 2/19/14 at 10:51 am
Posted on 2/19/14 at 10:53 am to Stonehog
You are wearing me down. I am actually interested to see if you are correct.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 11:48 am to Stonehog
quote:
ure conjecture. No one there had ever seen anything like it, so it's obviously unusual for the area. Everyone they talk to about the case mentions the deer antlers and how weird that was.
But I really think the line was put in there just to mirror Ledoux's comment in episode 5.
Yhat is definitely a possibility, and the writer straight up says in some interviews that that is a theme. But that line also reflects the fact that Cohle had been obsessing over and thoroughly studying serial killer literature. At one point, Marty says, "You get that from one of your books?" And he replies in the affirmative.
My theory: I think Cohle is searching for the people that killed his daughter. I don't think she died the way he says she did.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 12:00 pm to guedeaux
That would be interesting, because when he's talking about the way his daughter died, he's really vague. He says they lived on a curve in the road, and his daughter was riding her tricycle in the driveway. Then he kind of just stops describing the scene. We assume that she got hit by a car but he never says that.
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