re: True Detective (Collective Theories Thread)

Alright, I got a little out there and threw some things out on the Ep 5 thread before doing a rewatch. Here are my predictions, without going into the reasons (although I have them)

Neither Rust nor Marty are the killers

Rust has continued working the case off the grid. This one is so obvious that it shouldn't even be debatable. He even tells Gilbough and Papania when they show him the file "This is all you've got? I've got more than this!" (paraphrased)

Rust and Marty are still working together

Audrey is involved in the cult. That I'm sure of. She dies or disappears, I'm also pretty sure about that. Not as sure on how, but I would put money on the Grandfather.

I've changed my mind on Cmdr. Speece. I don't think he's in on it, he's just a hard-assed, conservative Christian cop who looks up to Tuttle because of who he is, not because of any cult involvement.

Tuttle, on the other hand, is definitely in on it

I've also changed my mind on believing that Rust dies at the end.

I agree about Rust still being undercover. My theory is as follows: the night Rust had dinner with Marty's family, he wasnt drunk, he was under the effects of the cold medicine he downed in his truck to appear intoxicated in front of Marty.

I believe Marty is directly involved in the goings on since at least 1987. (there was a billboard in ep1 Have you seen me? With a date of missing since 1987). He has shown that he has a dual personality. On one hand he appears to be the protector of children, and a hero to disadvantaged (gave the young prosto money telling her to get out while she could). On the other, he cheats on his wife and treats the woman he is cheating with like a prosto. Rust and Marty covered up their actions at the "shoot out". I believe rust did so to keep Marty close so he could watch his actions.

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I believe Marty is directly involved in the goings on since at least 1987. (there was a billboard in ep1 Have you seen me? With a date of missing since 1987). He has shown that he has a dual personality. On one hand he appears to be the protector of children, and a hero to disadvantaged (gave the young prosto money telling her to get out while she could). On the other, he cheats on his wife and treats the woman he is cheating with like a prosto. Rust and Marty covered up their actions at the "shoot out". I believe rust did so to keep Marty close so he could watch his actions.

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I just...



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No way

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I don't think she died the way he says she did.

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That's just it, he never says how she dies. You're led to believe that maybe someone backed over her or she went into the street and got hit by a car because he says that she was on her tricycle in the drive, but he takes a long pause when he gets to the part of what actually happened and skips to her being in a coma. It could have been a hit, which would make it VERY difficult to keep a marriage together if your child died as a direct result of your line of work.

I believe the relationship and present status between Rust & Marty is real.. The falling out is obviously over the case and the reemergence of the truth. Hes been working the case throughout the years in a veiled attempt to unmask the network and their dirty deeds. Marty has been living his life and unaware..

I believe its two fold.. 1.. There is a powerful group that controls certain operations within the region, from political to religious. There goal is simple, power and money.

2. The cult like murders are cover-ups to keep the law away from the real identities of those involved.. This could also be a rogue bag man that has lost his screws. Either way, the murders are business. They control drugs, prostitution, child slave trade and probably other black market endeavors. There is probably strife, behind the wall deals that resulted in a falling out between members of the consortium. The reverend somehow allowed Rust to get to close..he had to go..etc.

I believe the leader of the group has been shown but I have no idea

Please, enlighten me.

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I believe the leader of the group has been shown but I have no idea

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Marty's FIL is an easy pick to be involved. He isn't a murder though.

Let's just say you are way off and I have 100% certainty

My thoughts on this.

Rust is still working the case. Whether it is of his own volition or whether he is undercover FBI assigned to investigate corruption in the La. law enforcement relative to these murders is still unknown, but I'm guessing he is still undercover FBI.

Marty is not in on it, and he has not killed any women. He's just a good ole boy peckerhead police officer "with a big dick." They are a dime a dozen in the rural south.

Rust and Marty have a real falling out over Rust wanting to reopen the case after the 2002 events and his visit to the school. Marty just wants to move on. He is a simple guy, the case is closed, he got his promotion. The latest murder makes Marty realize Rust was right, and they start working together again building toward the finale.

The biggest mystery to me is what this cult is doing - what is their motive. I think they have decided that they should save lost women by getting them to confess their sins in some kind of ritual that also requires the human sacrifice of an innocent (that's why the kids go missing). The women go voluntarily to their death before they can commit other sins that they know they will do. They get other people like Reggie Ledoux to kidnap sacrifice victims for them.

The cult is a whole bunch of connected, seemingly religious people led by Billy Tuttle who used his school as a place to identify girls who needed his special help the most.

Marty's daughter is definitely involved somehow. I think it is possible that at some point Marty's father in law had or will have Audrey sacrificed in this way to save her from being a trailer park slut.

Audrey's part is difficult to sort out. Her behavior in the context of this show is not mere teen experimentation. The barbies on the floor is a clear sign. But how does she get exposed at such a young age without Marty being involved? Her mother? I don't think so. Grandfather maybe? Perhaps a friend of hers is actively involved and she is hearing stories from her.

I agree but part of me hopes that Marty's character is deeper than that.

Ryno - put it out there if you're so sure. This is a collective theories thread, not an I have all the answers and I'm not gonna share but instead tell everyone they're wrong thread.