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re: Dawn of the Planet of the Apes (Thoughts with Spoilers; Fricking fantastic)
Posted on 7/12/14 at 7:10 pm to Pectus
Posted on 7/12/14 at 7:10 pm to Pectus
If Serkis is in it, that's fine with me. I think it'll be risky to not have Caesar. Maybe they can have him in some flashbacks. He's been such a great character.
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Posted on 7/12/14 at 7:13 pm to abellsujr
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If Serkis is in it, that's fine with me. I think it'll be risky to not have Caesar. Maybe they can have him in some flashbacks. He's been such a great character.
They can do as they did with McDowell, just have Serkis play his son or someone further down the family tree.
Posted on 7/12/14 at 7:15 pm to Freauxzen
quote:Humans will not forgive as a whole. He's absolutely right. Koba created too much damage. Caesar is going to have to give in a little bit or the apes will never follow him.
"Humans would not forgive."
Posted on 7/12/14 at 7:35 pm to Freauxzen
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The only faults are that we need a little more of the human side, just a tad. Or at least more of the interaction with the apes when things were better.
I think the creative counterargument to this is that we have seen the human side in many other movies that are set in a post-apocalyptic world.
So they can make more waves by focusing on what makes this movie different: the apes.
Posted on 7/12/14 at 7:54 pm to athenslife101
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I found it very hard to believe that a group was coming south to help them in the movie.
I found it hard to believe apes were speaking and riding horses.
Posted on 7/12/14 at 8:10 pm to abellsujr
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I think Koba is driven to pure evil.
i mean i guess, but that shift was jumping the shark...like i said, to move the story along (same with the idiot human)
that jarring character shift really did hurt the last third of the movie, but it is what it is...a summer movie
i think people are accepting of it just b/c we've been so accustomed to that meme in movies.
Posted on 7/12/14 at 8:11 pm to BarbeTiger
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No Koba was pure evil that was easy to see when he threw Ash over the ledge
they attempted a shift in personality that takes years, because that's what we're used to as an audience
Posted on 7/12/14 at 8:12 pm to Volvagia
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The only roadblock is that we don't really know if there are other colonies of intelligent apes.
i doubt that's possible. it's very localized
Posted on 7/12/14 at 8:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
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they attempted a shift in personality that takes years, because that's what we're used to as an audience
They may have gone overboard with him killing other apes but I was accepting of it. It's not like Koba was the most peaceful ape in the first movie
Posted on 7/12/14 at 8:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
They do appear to be breeding very quickly and increasing their numbers.
Not surprising as they are a minority in a liberal state.
Not surprising as they are a minority in a liberal state.
Posted on 7/12/14 at 8:17 pm to BarbeTiger
he literally went from being 100% "all in" with the ape collective to not trusting of humans to psychopathic authoritarian dictator, killing motherfricking apes left and right, in like 72 hours. that's a bit of a personality shift
Posted on 7/12/14 at 8:18 pm to PsychTiger
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Not surprising as they are a minority in a liberal state.
Posted on 7/12/14 at 8:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
i thought he was acting the part until the right time.
Posted on 7/12/14 at 8:19 pm to abellsujr
what was "the right time"? and letting a grizzly bear kill caesar (and his son, for good measure) would have been a lot better all around
Posted on 7/12/14 at 8:20 pm to SlowFlowPro
there was no human threat at that point.
Posted on 7/12/14 at 8:21 pm to abellsujr
so he was waiting on what was thought to be an extinct species to re-emerge in order to take control of the ape collective?
Posted on 7/12/14 at 8:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
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so he was waiting on what was thought to be an extinct species to re-emerge in order to take control of the ape collective?
Well, both sides thought neither existed...
Posted on 7/12/14 at 8:23 pm to SlowFlowPro
no. i think koba changed when he saw the firepower the humans had, at least that's the way i saw it.
Posted on 7/12/14 at 8:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
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they attempted a shift in personality that takes years, because that's what we're used to as an audience
Koba was never right in the head, even from Rise.
Posted on 7/12/14 at 8:55 pm to Freauxzen
Yeah, just watched it, and it was pretty damn great. Would not put it as one of the greatest cinematic experiences of my life, but it was solid and elevated the material to a point that I would have never expected it. Honestly, the moment Koba shot Ceasar, I expected the clique Ceasar surviving and Koba would be dead within 20 minutes after revealing that he tried to kill him, but they never went the clique route. It was great, and Koba was a great antagonist. Highly recommend it.
This post was edited on 7/12/14 at 9:11 pm
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