re: Chris Hardwick #metooed in a big way.

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Man, you're working hard to spin this.

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Speaking of spin...

You just compared an heiress to the fricking Hearst fortune to a girl who's dad help found a special effects studio all because you want to paint him in some unflattering light.

Look...I'm happy to agree that the guy doesn't seem to be dating girls he finds at Whole Foods. He seems to have dated exclusively within the entertainment industry since he was at MTV as far as I know (which ain't all that much and based only on what I remember hearing the guy say on air). I mean, he apparently dated Lisa Loeb back in the day. Also a pedigree thing?

But you made it sound like he was running around searching for companions like someone searches for street cred. Given that I don't have such a visceral dislike for the guy, I'm just not willing to pretend that he's dating girls for any reason other than they met in the same circles and hit it off.

But then I didn't casually assume that he sexually assaulted some girl because I find him to be annoying, so I think we kind of have differing ways of looking at people at a base level.

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Check what I wrote instead of casually assuming.

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Page 3 in a discussion with another poster about whether or not what he did rose to the level of being emotional abuse. You responded with:

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Doing your business on a woman as she lays there crying seems to fit in there.

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I then explained that was what she was callings sexual assault, and pointed out again that it was merely her accusation. You stated that AS FACT.

Unless you're now going to back away from that statement, I'd say that's a fairly good indication you had made up your mind as to whether or not she was telling the truth, and it seems clear that what was driving your belief was a personal dislike of the guy as a entertainer.

But, feel free to spin the above if you want I guess.

ETA: In fact, it wasn't until Page 5 that you even dared suggest that if she failed to produce any evidence "than more power to him." You've been up the guy's arse since you started the thread...please don't now try and pretend you were being impartial from the beginning.

This thread is weird.

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This thread is weird.

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I then explained that was what she was callings sexual assault, and pointed out again that it was merely her accusation. You stated that AS FACT.

Unless you're now going to back away from that statement, I'd say that's a fairly good indication you had made up your mind as to whether or not she was telling the truth, and it seems clear that what was driving your belief was a personal dislike of the guy as a entertainer.

But, feel free to spin the above if you want I guess.

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You could quote me in context, instead of claiming that I said that a statement was a fact. The part of her statement where she claims that he had been "starfishing" her had not been posted to the board. I was pointing out the portion of her allegation that would fall under emotional abuse.

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This entire situation seems to deal with emotional abuse.

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It does, but how do we define "emotional abuse"?

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ME: Doing your business on a woman as she lays there crying seems to fit in there.

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YOU: No, that's what she described as sexual assault...and I'd pretty much agree.

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Nice anecdote, but that's not what I asked for, and don't think that's what happened with Hardwick.

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ME: It's exactly what she claims happened.

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Am I missing something? Please point out where she said anything that inferred that he did this: "Doing your business on a woman as she lays there crying seems to fit in there."

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ME: Here: LINK

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Thanks. That info wasn't included in the article included in the OP for some reason.

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If you post the entire conversation, you see that I said, "It's exactly what SHE CLAIMS happened." I clarified that I was not stating a fact but that it was her claim.

Please search again for where I said that he "sexually assaulted" her (your words).

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Please search again for where I said that he "sexually assaulted" her (your words).

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Oh, you never did. I was claiming that you were insinuating he was guilty based solely on her account. What you were attempting to do there was to prove to SUB that's what she was claiming was emotional abuse since he had not seen that part of her article.

I pointed out that you were wrong...that in fact THAT was what she was describing as sexual assault and that it mattered, because THAT was the headline making it's way around and what would ultimately cost him his reputation.

Further, you seemed to spend much of the thread trying to spin why the accusations were bad, while not bothering to come out and say the most important thing about them, which was to taken the "wait and see" road, but you felt that it was important to trash the guy from post 2, and you seem to have done it simply because you don't find him entertaining. Honestly, that level of intellectual dishonesty is kind of part of the problem here.

I mean, at least the wrong headed feminists who are insisting we need to "believe the woman" have what they consider to be an important agenda. Your take just seems to be born of both laziness and some kind of weird jealousy or something over the fact that this guy has some sort of nerd cred you think he doesn't deserve.

For my part, I've tried to be honest in that I enjoy his podcast. While I don't think I leaned toward believing him because I like that aspect of what he does, I do think I leaned towards believing him because I've been exposed to what he seems to think about things for a very long time and her account did not seem to jive with any of that. You seemed to lean toward believing her because you dislike him, but not based on anything else.

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Yeah, sorry for my part in that. Really was not my intention.

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No, you're fine. It's the detail that we have to get into. Honestly, and I'm sorry FK, I just don't see your point. There seems to be some vendetta against Hardwick or something? I can't tell.

I get the idea that these situations are less than ideal when you sort of can't trust either party at face value, but you sort of have to, but you sort of can't, etc.

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you seemed to spend much of the thread trying to spin why the accusations were bad, while not bothering to come out and say the most important thing about them, which was to taken the "wait and see" road,

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So you're upset with what I haven't said.

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Your take just seems to be born of both laziness and some kind of weird jealousy or something over the fact that this guy has some sort of nerd cred you think he doesn't deserve.

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"Weird jealousy." For someone damning others for assuming, you assume a lot.

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You seemed to lean toward believing her because you dislike him, but not based on anything else.

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I never said that I believed her. But I do not automatically disbelieve her either. There are plenty of people who "seem to" doubt her as much as I "seem to" not doubt her. Why did you call me out instead of them?

I understand that you're looking for an argument on this. I'm regretting that I'm the only person for you to aim your aggression towards.

Article and Video Of Chloe Praising Chris After Surgery

She's either a huge liar or a great actor. She seems sincere in this video. Hmmmmm.

The whole “That’s great. When do you think I can have sex with her again?” that she claims he asked the doctor after he told her she'd be fine seems completely made up. Who the hell would say that, and with her mother in the room? She's already claimed that he's is Mr. Niceguy in public, yet he asks that kind of question in front of his girlfriend of over 1 year's mom? That doesn't add up.

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I'm not looking for an argument about this topic

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Says the guy who posted this:

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Now after a denial by him and what looks like some evidence that he might not really be some monster, you still seem like you have something to say.

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