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re: Chris Hardwick #metooed in a big way.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 10:17 am to Dire Wolf
Posted on 6/20/18 at 10:17 am to Dire Wolf
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The only thing that bothers me about the story his him trying to black ball her career. Which seems like it wasn’t much of one anyway, but still if he actively took her off of jobs that’s just petty.
Yeah, if true, that would be pretty petty. But again, as far as I know, aside from her claiming it to be so, there has not been any evidence of that.
But, in an effort to be fair, what if the truth lies somewhere in the middle, as most truths do? What if he simply discussed the break-up with friends and people he worked with and in doing so expressed that she might be kind of a bitch and not all that stable? If they are all in the same industry, sort of, that could go a long way to making someone think twice about hiring you, and it wouldn't be the same thing as outright asking people to hurt her career.
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Posted on 6/20/18 at 10:19 am to GeauxTigerTM
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His break-up text (yeah, I know) is long as frick but it's worth the read if you're at all interested in this story.
LINK
Kudos for the Rumspringa mention.
Hardwick sounds pretty normal here. I mean, you never know in these situations and I'm not really a huge fan of his, but all of this seems to be blown out of proportion.
Probably because he recently married into serious money...?
Posted on 6/20/18 at 10:26 am to Freauxzen
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Kudos for the Rumspringa mention.
Yup.
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Hardwick sounds pretty normal here. I mean, you never know in these situations and I'm not really a huge fan of his, but all of this seems to be blown out of proportion.
This is the part that stands out to me...not the fact that she wanted to keep talking to him. Honestly, if he was some horrible abuser, the fact that she wanted to stay is not out of the ordinary in cases like that it seems.
But it's his letter that rings true to me, mostly because I simply heard the guy talk for so many hours largely about himself. Yeah...there were a few tid bits in what she wrote that you could see some truth in, like the being super busy and not wanting to go out, being controlling, etc. But he's talked openly about all those things. But he comes off here pretty much like you'd think he would if you'd listened to him...like a pretty normal guy who seems to have been the one hurt and got strung along by a girl that may have bee using him for various reasons.
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Probably because he recently married into serious money...?
I actually hadn't thought about the "why now" part until I heard that his wife and he are now expecting a baby. He's talked about them talking about it but I had not heard him mention it on the podcast yet, though maybe he talked about it in the opening when he does ads and I missed it scrubbing through all that BS. But I'm sure if it had gotten out she would have heard it. Maybe that was the final nail in the coffin as to what pushed for this outing right now?
Posted on 6/20/18 at 10:45 am to GeauxTigerTM
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What if he simply discussed the break-up with friends and people he worked with and in doing so expressed that she might be kind of a bitch and not all that stable? If they are all in the same industry, sort of, that could go a long way to making someone think twice about hiring you, and it wouldn't be the same thing as outright asking people to hurt her career.
Someone who had worked for the Nerdist said that when an employer would say that they where thinking of hiring Dykstra, Hardwick would tell them, "Let me tell you a story." Using peoples emotions to get them on his side.
As an employer, you have to be amazingly careful when it comes to giving a good or bad reference for a former employee. Which is why some companies have a no-references-given policy. Just saying, "I'm not giving a reference good or bad" can get you in trouble if you routinely give good references for other employees.
It's insanely stupid to give an employer an undocumented reason for not hiring your former employee/girlfriend. You're exposing yourself legally to someone who probably already has an axe to grind with you.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 10:49 am to GeauxTigerTM
I can't stand Chris Hardwick. Like borderline hate him and how douchey and annoying he is, and I cringe every time he's on my TV.
That being said, this seems like a GIGANTIC load of bullshite by this Chloe chick. And after reading his novel text to her, it really seems like this is a bitter bitch trying to frick with her ex's life in the meanest of ways. I admittedly don't know much about either one of these people, but that text and her responses seem to show that she fricked him over, not the other way around. And for her to now, years later, come out and try to sully his name with this #metoo-type bullshite, that is wrong to almost the highest degree.
If he truly tried to blackball her, then yeah that's a dick move. But if any of what he says in that text is true, and if it was nothing more than just a vindictive ex-lovers quarrel, then I don't see the big deal. You can't treat people like shite and then expect no consequences from that. It's not much different than going to the CEO in your company (romantic ties to them or not), calling them a gigantic a-hole, and then getting upset when they told their other CEO buddies what kind of person you are and not to hire you. Does it suck? Sure...at least maybe. But does it trigger trying to ruin that person's life after the things you pulled on them? Absolutely not. And make no mistake, with the amount of tread the whole #metoo movement has, even simply hinting at an accusation with something like that can ultimately ruin a person's career/life. And if that is what she is doing here, then may she burn in Hell.
This whole super slippery slope of #metoo shite has gotten so out of control. All it takes is random allegations for someone's life, career, or certainly job to be ruined. Truth doesn't seem to matter much, if at all most of the time. And what's worse is that now it seems like being a shitty boyfriend, or even something as innocuous as having a weird/awkward first date, is grounds for some girl making accusations of it. That is terrifyingly sad and scary.
"Yeah, I went out with (insert male/celebrity) and had consensual sex, but later on I regretted it and felt used and feel like I should've said no. I feel so ashamed. #metoo"
frick that bullshite. For real. And frick any person that tries to manipulate it and use it as a weapon.
That being said, this seems like a GIGANTIC load of bullshite by this Chloe chick. And after reading his novel text to her, it really seems like this is a bitter bitch trying to frick with her ex's life in the meanest of ways. I admittedly don't know much about either one of these people, but that text and her responses seem to show that she fricked him over, not the other way around. And for her to now, years later, come out and try to sully his name with this #metoo-type bullshite, that is wrong to almost the highest degree.
If he truly tried to blackball her, then yeah that's a dick move. But if any of what he says in that text is true, and if it was nothing more than just a vindictive ex-lovers quarrel, then I don't see the big deal. You can't treat people like shite and then expect no consequences from that. It's not much different than going to the CEO in your company (romantic ties to them or not), calling them a gigantic a-hole, and then getting upset when they told their other CEO buddies what kind of person you are and not to hire you. Does it suck? Sure...at least maybe. But does it trigger trying to ruin that person's life after the things you pulled on them? Absolutely not. And make no mistake, with the amount of tread the whole #metoo movement has, even simply hinting at an accusation with something like that can ultimately ruin a person's career/life. And if that is what she is doing here, then may she burn in Hell.
This whole super slippery slope of #metoo shite has gotten so out of control. All it takes is random allegations for someone's life, career, or certainly job to be ruined. Truth doesn't seem to matter much, if at all most of the time. And what's worse is that now it seems like being a shitty boyfriend, or even something as innocuous as having a weird/awkward first date, is grounds for some girl making accusations of it. That is terrifyingly sad and scary.
"Yeah, I went out with (insert male/celebrity) and had consensual sex, but later on I regretted it and felt used and feel like I should've said no. I feel so ashamed. #metoo"
frick that bullshite. For real. And frick any person that tries to manipulate it and use it as a weapon.
This post was edited on 6/20/18 at 10:56 am
Posted on 6/20/18 at 10:52 am to Fewer Kilometers
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Someone who had worked for the Nerdist said that when an employer would say that they where thinking of hiring Dykstra, Hardwick would tell them, "Let me tell you a story." Using peoples emotions to get them on his side.
Let me guess...and unnamed source? I read an "article" last night that must have had 6 unnamed sources in it about this story, most of whom had worked for him at Nerdist who simply sounded like disgruntled employees who found him hard to work for because he was demanding.
You know, for a guy not all that interested in this story, you're sure in it a lot.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 10:58 am to GeauxTigerTM
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You know, for a guy not all that interested in this story
I started the thread, genius.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 10:59 am to CocomoLSU
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I can't stand Chris Hardwick. Like borderline hate him and how douchey and annoying he is, and I cringe every time he's on my TV.
I honestly don't enjoy most of his hosting stuff, but it's mostly for the same reason I don;t like yappy little dogs. It's just TOO MUCH hopping around and energy for me. It's why I enjoy his podcast much more, as I think it's toned down a bunch and you don;t see how animated he can get.
I think this was driving a ton of why people jumped down his throat so fast. The guy is an EASY target in terms of being unlikable in some of the things he does and for seemingly being involved in EVERYTHING.
I feel a little more invested I guess having listened to him for so long, but I was willing to hear her out and listen to whatever evidence she actually has. Still am, in fact. But the idea that guy needed to be burned at the stake and potentially lose his career based off of a one sided story without him even being able to mount a defense is just insane to me, and really the much larger story here than this individual case.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 11:02 am to Fewer Kilometers
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I started the thread, genius.
C'mon...I'm playing. No need to be an a-hole.
It's just that I tried to have a conversation with you about this because it seemed like you have an axe to grind about this case and I asked you to lay it out. I HONESTLY want to know what I'm missing here. You seemed to indicate that you'd had your say and you didn't care about the guy.
Just seems odd that you'd still be in here still attempting to kind of throw the guy under whatever bus seems to be passing if you'd had you say.
Again...I'm interested in discussing this story, obviously.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 11:16 am to GeauxTigerTM
I just don't feel any sympathy for the guy. Even if every unnamed source that speaks badly about him and says, "yeah, what she's saying... that sounds exactly like Chris" is a disgruntled former employee... why does he have all of these disgruntled former employees? It's not a case of "why did this happen to such a nice guy". It's more, "He's an arse but he doesn't deserve this."
Even his friends and family are giving "I'm processing this but love Chris" statements. If I was his best friend and knew he wouldn't do this stuff I'd be screaming it.
He just comes across as a creepy guy, and his penchant for dating/marrying women with family pedigrees doesn't help.
Hardwick and Dykstra are both attention whores. If the truth is somewhere in the middle, he still comes out looking pretty bad.
Even his friends and family are giving "I'm processing this but love Chris" statements. If I was his best friend and knew he wouldn't do this stuff I'd be screaming it.
He just comes across as a creepy guy, and his penchant for dating/marrying women with family pedigrees doesn't help.
Hardwick and Dykstra are both attention whores. If the truth is somewhere in the middle, he still comes out looking pretty bad.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 11:23 am to Fewer Kilometers
If the texts were indeed Facebook messenger texts, you’d think she’d have some pretty scathing stuff from him for years if he is the monster she says he is. Unless he was just smart and didn’t put anything like that in texts.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 11:25 am to Fewer Kilometers
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Even his friends and family are giving "I'm processing this but love Chris" statements. If I was his best friend and knew he wouldn't do this stuff I'd be screaming it.
You can't defend anyone in this current climate. Look at what happened to the even the moderate takes in the news. People get eviscerated for saying "We should wait and see before believing accusations."
Posted on 6/20/18 at 12:07 pm to Freauxzen
As a general rule, I just don't give a shite about famous people's private lives. I'll make an exception clearly for things like Kevin Spacey or Roman Polanski, but by and large, I don't care.
So... let's just do a quick thought experiment and take everything she says at face value. I do think Hardwick's texts show there are two versions of the truth but let's even put that to the side... believe her story in its entirety. OK?
Now, question one: who gives a frick? I mean, so Hardwick sounds like a bad boyfriend and a controlling piece of garbage. So what? What does that have to do with anything? Like, I'd tell my sister not to date him, but that's not actually gonna happen. Does a guy deserve to have his career destroyed (and like Cocomo, I pretty much hate Chris Hardwick and would have no problem if he fell off the earth tomorrow) because he's a crappy boyfriend? Nothing he did was illegal or immoral. He was just an a-hole. And that's if we take her story 100% at face value with no chance to rebut.
The part about her story that made me uncomfortable is when she hints how terrible the new girlfriend is and that she is also an evil lying liar who lies. Are we supposed to totally ignore she tries to character assassinate the Other Woman? And she does admit to cheating which, again, I don't give a shite about. But I don't think anyone should have their career destroyed for their private dating life, unless they are doing something illegal. Kevin Spacey absolutely deserves to have his public career destroyed. So does Bryan Singer.
But Chris Hardwick? I mean, he deserves to have his career destroyed because he sucks, but not for this. He's an insecure a-hole and a bad boyfriend. I don't care. Neither should anyone else.
So... let's just do a quick thought experiment and take everything she says at face value. I do think Hardwick's texts show there are two versions of the truth but let's even put that to the side... believe her story in its entirety. OK?
Now, question one: who gives a frick? I mean, so Hardwick sounds like a bad boyfriend and a controlling piece of garbage. So what? What does that have to do with anything? Like, I'd tell my sister not to date him, but that's not actually gonna happen. Does a guy deserve to have his career destroyed (and like Cocomo, I pretty much hate Chris Hardwick and would have no problem if he fell off the earth tomorrow) because he's a crappy boyfriend? Nothing he did was illegal or immoral. He was just an a-hole. And that's if we take her story 100% at face value with no chance to rebut.
The part about her story that made me uncomfortable is when she hints how terrible the new girlfriend is and that she is also an evil lying liar who lies. Are we supposed to totally ignore she tries to character assassinate the Other Woman? And she does admit to cheating which, again, I don't give a shite about. But I don't think anyone should have their career destroyed for their private dating life, unless they are doing something illegal. Kevin Spacey absolutely deserves to have his public career destroyed. So does Bryan Singer.
But Chris Hardwick? I mean, he deserves to have his career destroyed because he sucks, but not for this. He's an insecure a-hole and a bad boyfriend. I don't care. Neither should anyone else.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 12:21 pm to GeauxTigerTM
I mean, does this sound like someone happy to be free of an abusive relationship?
Posted on 6/20/18 at 12:21 pm to Baloo
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Now, question one: who gives a frick? I mean, so Hardwick sounds like a bad boyfriend and a controlling piece of garbage. So what? What does that have to do with anything? Like, I'd tell my sister not to date him, but that's not actually gonna happen. Does a guy deserve to have his career destroyed (and like Cocomo, I pretty much hate Chris Hardwick and would have no problem if he fell off the earth tomorrow) because he's a crappy boyfriend? Nothing he did was illegal or immoral. He was just an a-hole. And that's if we take her story 100% at face value with no chance to rebut.
Exactly. That's what I don't like about all this. Even if 100% true, so what? How many celebrities do you think are assholes to their girlfriends? Probably lots, but why should that impact their career?
Posted on 6/20/18 at 12:39 pm to SUB
Kige the last couple posts.
Bad boyfriend? Don't date him or encourage a friend to date him.
I admit to ignorance when it comes to his blogs and nerdist website. The only stuff I know about him comes from his days on singled out and his comedy central show (which was sometimes good with specific comedians)
I think we should also be more careful about implicitly agreeing with the "where there's smoke there's fire" premise that ends up motivating a lot of piling on and public condemnations. Saying "I don't know enough to have an opinion" is the most reasonable response in many cases.
God forbid most of us were held up for public judgement based on the opinions of vengeful significant others. Most people would be destroyed by that sort of treatment.
Bad boyfriend? Don't date him or encourage a friend to date him.
I admit to ignorance when it comes to his blogs and nerdist website. The only stuff I know about him comes from his days on singled out and his comedy central show (which was sometimes good with specific comedians)
I think we should also be more careful about implicitly agreeing with the "where there's smoke there's fire" premise that ends up motivating a lot of piling on and public condemnations. Saying "I don't know enough to have an opinion" is the most reasonable response in many cases.
God forbid most of us were held up for public judgement based on the opinions of vengeful significant others. Most people would be destroyed by that sort of treatment.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 1:03 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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I just don't feel any sympathy for the guy
I feel sympathy for ANYONE who is tried and convicted in the public arena where they can lose virtually everything of value to them without the benefit of being able to defend themselves, and that's regardless of whether or not I like them. Kind of strange, honestly, that that might factor in for anyone.
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Even if every unnamed source that speaks badly about him and says, "yeah, what she's saying... that sounds exactly like Chris" is a disgruntled former employee... why does he have all of these disgruntled former employees?
What constitutes all? If they are unnamed, how do we even know they exist? How much does the PC bullshite of "believe the woman" play into their complaining about him as a boss after the fact?
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Even his friends and family are giving "I'm processing this but love Chris" statements. If I was his best friend and knew he wouldn't do this stuff I'd be screaming it.
You can't be this blind to the current state of affairs, can you? In a sense, I agree with you. But let's take a guy like Matt Mira. He's got a gig on the writing staff for The Goldbergs and is hosting his own After Show for Star Trek Discovery and he's got his own slew of podcasts. Let's just say that Matt knew FOR A FACT that Hardwick wasn't the kind of guy Dykstra portrayed him as, what do you think would have become of him if he was out there defending him the day of? For frick's sake, you literally had frickheads sending messages to Mira, Jonah Ray, Will Wheaton, etc DEMANDING they disavow the guy before he'd even responded in public. You don't think they'd have gone after HIS employers to attempt to link him to this for defending him...?
I think it's naive to assume they were quiet because they knew him to be guilty of something when all can see that they'd have been viciously attacked themselves for even poking their heads out of the sand. My guess, they all talked to him personally behind the scenes (like you'd assume your own friends would have done if you had been accused of something like this) and he told them to stay out of it until things cleared, or to at least let them know he understood why they needed to sit back and not get involved. That's speculation, but it would be plausible.
Personally, I'd have liked them to say something to the effect of, "I've known Chris for many years and what she described does not sounds like the person I know, but I'm willing to hear her out and wait for Chris to respond before either taking her side of defending him." All of them, to a person, would have been EVISCERATED for that stance.
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He just comes across as a creepy guy
Sounds like an assumption, but you're entitled to it I guess.
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and his penchant for dating/marrying women with family pedigrees doesn't help
I wouldn't exactly call dating a girl who's dad worked at ILM a pedigree.
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Hardwick and Dykstra are both attention whores
Well, yeah.
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If the truth is somewhere in the middle, he still comes out looking pretty bad.
If the truth is that she fabricated or even stretched the truth about the sexual assault stuff, I'd say she needs jail time. that's the part that has cost him, and she'd better damn well have some evidence for it at this point.
See...we don't agree, but we can have a conversation anyway.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 1:24 pm to SUB
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That's what I don't like about all this. Even if 100% true, so what? How many celebrities do you think are assholes to their girlfriends? Probably lots, but why should that impact their career?
because a guy like Hardwick's career is based on being likeable. thats his only asset. he's a public persona. if he loses that, he's worthless. if he offered another valuable skill, his employer could potentially deem the PR hit worth it. but he doesnt offer anything else. hes an easily replaceable talking head who isnt worth the trouble.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 1:37 pm to GeauxTigerTM
This is so easy to spot from a mile away. This girl is crazy. Stays with a guy for 3 years...gets caught cheating...and then begs for him to keep her.
Then 4 years later comes out with this whole abuse story. Alleging he was crazy because he didn’t want her going out....probably because he knew she would hook up...
didnt want pics of her guy friends up....ex boyfriends probably...
Suspicious of what she was doing.....and warranted we find out...
Didn’t want her drinking....crazy drunk that would hook up
Wanted her ready when he got home...AND...he told her that sex was important to the relationship (Bastard!)
She cries during sex...LOCO
Plus he was “mean” and tried to block her from getting hired. Anyone here with an ex that was caught cheating please cast the first stone.
And she states she was strong and left him...followed immediately with texts that prove the opposite.
I don’t believe a word of it...especially after reading his text. His career has going pretty well and she’s known for cosplay. This was purely an F U move done for publicity.
But it doesn’t matter - she got the last laugh.
Then 4 years later comes out with this whole abuse story. Alleging he was crazy because he didn’t want her going out....probably because he knew she would hook up...
didnt want pics of her guy friends up....ex boyfriends probably...
Suspicious of what she was doing.....and warranted we find out...
Didn’t want her drinking....crazy drunk that would hook up
Wanted her ready when he got home...AND...he told her that sex was important to the relationship (Bastard!)
She cries during sex...LOCO
Plus he was “mean” and tried to block her from getting hired. Anyone here with an ex that was caught cheating please cast the first stone.
And she states she was strong and left him...followed immediately with texts that prove the opposite.
I don’t believe a word of it...especially after reading his text. His career has going pretty well and she’s known for cosplay. This was purely an F U move done for publicity.
But it doesn’t matter - she got the last laugh.
This post was edited on 6/20/18 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 6/20/18 at 1:47 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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I wouldn't exactly call dating a girl who's dad worked at ILM a pedigree.
Man, you're working hard to spin this. If you don't think that having John Dykstra as your dad isn't a big deal in the nerd community, you're hugely mistaken. He was in charge of special effects for Star Wars and was a FOUNDER of ILM.
For a C level celebrity whose focus is nerd culture, that's huge.
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