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re: Would you have allowed Rory's group to play up...?

Posted on 8/10/14 at 8:49 pm to
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 8/10/14 at 8:49 pm to
Tee off together, but Phil and Fowler should have been allowed to finish the hole before the approach shots from the final group
This post was edited on 8/10/14 at 8:50 pm
Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 8/10/14 at 8:49 pm to
Yeah if Roy has to wait, I doubt he plays the hole. It was damn dark. Can't believe they finished as is.
Posted by KG5989
Das Boot
Member since Oct 2010
16324 posts
Posted on 8/10/14 at 8:50 pm to
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I really hope not, because in no way, shape, or form is that the call of an official


This.

Rickie and Phil wanted them to get on the fairway so they didnt have to worry about the horn getting them on the tee box. Once you tee off on 18, the horn cant get you.

So they allowed them to tee off with them to make sure the horn wouldnt get them. But they didnt say anything about the 2nd shot / approach shot. And Rory asked the official if they could play up and what not before his 2nd shot and the official said yes, but Rickie and Phil were never consulted about that and werent aware that was going on.

Miscommunication between players and officials.

I would have allowed them to tee off together. But wait to hit their 2nd / approach shot until my group finished the hole.
This post was edited on 8/10/14 at 8:51 pm
Posted by RollTheRock
Member since Feb 2014
478 posts
Posted on 8/10/14 at 8:53 pm to
Would this type of thing ever happen at a US Open?

How dark was it?

I think there was zero chance of blowing a horn on Rory once he got finished hole 17.
Posted by MrWiseGuy
Member since Dec 2009
27419 posts
Posted on 8/10/14 at 8:55 pm to
Pretty sure Fowler was the one who told Rory to tee off initially, I believe.

You can see Ricky tell Rory McIlroy to go ahead as he walks off the tee.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 8/10/14 at 8:58 pm to
It was very dark. 5 more minutes and they wouldn't have finished.

The only other point against Phil is that making them hit up could have actually benefited him. Because Rory has to assume he's going to chip in and needs to make birdie. If Rory hit after Phil missed his eagle chip, Rory punches out to 100 and hits lob wedge to 20 feet and 2 putts.
Posted by skuter
P'ville
Member since Jan 2005
6143 posts
Posted on 8/10/14 at 8:59 pm to
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Tee off together, but Phil and Fowler should have been allowed to finish the hole before the approach shots from the final group


This
Posted by medtiger
Member since Sep 2003
21659 posts
Posted on 8/10/14 at 9:04 pm to
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I think Rory would have won regardless but it was interesting for sure


Probably. But I think if Rory hits that same tee shot on 18 tomorrow morning it goes in the water.
Posted by TBCommish
Houma
Member since Sep 2006
166 posts
Posted on 8/10/14 at 9:05 pm to
With Rory up by 2, yes.
If he were up by 1 or even, make him wait.

Posted by bamafan425
Jackson's Hole
Member since Jan 2009
25607 posts
Posted on 8/10/14 at 9:08 pm to
You thinking he even hits driver tomorrow morning if he knows he just had to par?
Posted by hehateme2285
Katy, TX
Member since Dec 2007
5109 posts
Posted on 8/10/14 at 9:13 pm to
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You thinking he even hits driver tomorrow morning if he knows he just had to par?


He was hitting driver no matter what, because driver wasn't necessary at that point. Someone had to make eagle just to tie him.

I was cringing when JP let him grab driver, but, the dude has been the best driver of the golf ball on the planet for about 2 months and has a ton of confidence with it...
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
67589 posts
Posted on 8/10/14 at 9:20 pm to
I think they should have allowed them to play
Posted by onelochevy
Slidell, LA
Member since Jan 2011
16528 posts
Posted on 8/10/14 at 10:16 pm to
I would have let them play. Not going to put them in a situation where Rory could call it and have to come back tomorrow to finish the last hole. Shitty thing to do to the fans.
Posted by DeboseKnows
Gainesville
Member since Dec 2012
1721 posts
Posted on 8/10/14 at 10:43 pm to
Have none of these officials seen the legend of bagger vance?
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
94915 posts
Posted on 8/10/14 at 10:51 pm to
If Rory tees of tommorrow knowing he only needs par on a par 5, he prolly just puts the ball up there and it is way easier on him. The chaotic end and not knowing what was needed was way more to Phil and Rickies advantage
Posted by tigerpimpbot
Chairman of the Pool Board
Member since Nov 2011
66892 posts
Posted on 8/10/14 at 10:54 pm to
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Pretty sure Fowler was the one who told Rory to tee off initially, I believe.

You can see Ricky tell Rory McIlroy to go ahead as he walks off the tee.


I saw that too. Phil was walking away over that bridge like he didn't hear the official talking to him.
Posted by BayouBandit24
Member since Aug 2010
16551 posts
Posted on 8/10/14 at 10:56 pm to
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The chaotic end and not knowing what was needed was way more to Phil and Rickies advantage


i would think so too
Posted by Choupique19
The cheap seats
Member since Sep 2005
61771 posts
Posted on 8/10/14 at 11:10 pm to
If Rory doesn't get to play 18 today, and somehow doesn't make par tomorrow morning, then the entire tournament would always have an asterisks next to it. It would have really tainted the tournament if only the leader (and his partner who is out of it) have to play one hole the next day and he somehow doesn't par a short par 5 that he has played at -4 in the three previous rounds.


He-he, I said taint.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 8/11/14 at 8:41 am to
Phil acted like a little bitch. He was down 2 going into the easiest hole on the course and knew he wasn't going to win it. Kudos to Rickie for not acting like a spoiled child.

It was VERY dark and would have been an insult had Phil made Rory basically finish his PGA Champ winning round in the morning.
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54132 posts
Posted on 8/11/14 at 8:47 am to
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He was down 2 going into the easiest hole on the course and knew he wasn't going to win it.
A player of Phil's experience and caliber knew it wasn't over yet and, more importantly, believed he could make Eagle and Rory could make par or worse.

He had no obligation to allow anyone to play up and anyone who understands golf wouldn't blame him for employing every reasonable strategic advantage he could.

I'm personally glad they played up because I wanted to see it finish, but to criticize Phil is absurd. The pga officials are suppose to let the players make that call.
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