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re: Why has Mike Gundy been passed over so much?
Posted on 9/19/17 at 3:55 pm to lsupride87
Posted on 9/19/17 at 3:55 pm to lsupride87
No sir, because I would have known what UF FSU and LSU were.
You are the one who thinks it is only the athletes/recruiting and not everything around it that makes a program.
You are the one who thinks it is only the athletes/recruiting and not everything around it that makes a program.
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 3:56 pm
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Posted on 9/19/17 at 3:57 pm to sms151t
quote:
You are the one who thinks it is only the athletes and not everything around it that makes a program.
It is the coach and the talent they can bring in. You are literally arguing that if Saban and the exact same players he has right now, went to A&M, they wouldnt win because of some mythical power the past and facilities has on people
quote:bullshite. Your whole argument right now would have you beating your chest saying their program has never been at the top so it is impossible for them to get there
No sir, because I would have known what UF FSU and LSU were.
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 9/19/17 at 4:01 pm to lsupride87
quote:
You are literally arguing that if Saban and the exact same players he has right now, went to A&M, they wouldnt win because of some mythical power the past and facilities has on people
I have not even said anything like that but you somehow said I have?
All I have said was that Arkansas was the same level as aTm and higher than oSu. Then listed reasons why. I am sorry you have the reading comprehension level of a Louisiana public school graduate.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 4:02 pm to lsupride87
quote:
And for the Arky fan in here that isnt a put down(rockie)
Nah it is what it is, I actually believe we have overachieved in the grand scheme of things historically. I know that will make some Arkansas fans mad but I think it is the truth looking at the whole Athletic Department over our history. Maybe I have a little different viewpoint because I wasn't born in Arkansas.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 4:04 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
quote:
I guess, I think Arkansas has had some mediocre recruiters overall as coaches as well. Petrino and Bielema haven't exactly lit it up on the recruiting trail at other programs either. I think there's a lot to sell recruiting wise at Arkansas to players from outside the state
If Tennessee can pull in big classes these days I think Arkansas could with a really good recruiter
I think this is a good point as well. It would be interesting to see Arkansas' true potential with a great recruiter just numbers wise. I don't think something between 10-20 in terms of recruiting classes would be unreasonable with the right situation. Top 10 classes would require some major wins as well though.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 4:08 pm to sms151t
quote:You continue to amaze me. You literally have an awful opinion and reasoning with just about everything
I have not even said anything like that but you somehow said I have?
All I have said was that Arkansas was the same level as aTm and higher than oSu. Then listed reasons why. I am sorry you have the reading comprehension level of a Louisiana public school graduate.
You have argued recruiting and talent dont matter as much as history/facilities.
So I ask you, if Saban went to A&M, you believe he would not be very successful correct? You believe he would still recruit well, but he wouldnt be successful due to the past and the "program." I believe I am following perfectly fine
So according to sms, Saban would recruit well and still not have much success at A&M.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 4:11 pm to lsupride87
Also, following your logic, it is bullshite that you say you would have known UF would have become a great power program 
They had and still have poor facilities, and were bad historically going into 1990. Your whole argument in here would have had you saying no way
They had and still have poor facilities, and were bad historically going into 1990. Your whole argument in here would have had you saying no way
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 9/19/17 at 4:14 pm to lsupride87
I have not argued recruiting is not important I said it was not the only thing. Go back and read. UF was already a "power" before Spurrier got there. You know when Pell and Hall cheated in the 80's. But go ahead and think it was nothing.
I do not know if Saban would be as good at aTm s he is at Bama, neither do you. He could be Michigan St Saban. But if he was there for a long time say 5 years, probably, and if he was at Arkansas the same thing probably.
I do not know if Saban would be as good at aTm s he is at Bama, neither do you. He could be Michigan St Saban. But if he was there for a long time say 5 years, probably, and if he was at Arkansas the same thing probably.
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 9/19/17 at 4:15 pm to sms151t
quote:So on record you think Saban would have the same success at A&M and Arky in a 5 year period. Correct?
But if he was there for a long time say 5 years, probably, and if he was at Arkansas the same thing probably.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 4:15 pm to lsupride87
Yes
Posted on 9/19/17 at 4:19 pm to sms151t
Let me explain. Facilities and program history matter for one thing: the ability to recruit. Once the players are on campus, what you did in 1957 and where they shite between practices doesnt matter
A&Ms 5 year recruiting average is 12
Arkies 5 year average is 29
Saban can take a team that averages 12 without him, to top 5 in the recruit rankings every year with ease
Taking a team that averages 29 without him is going to be alot more difficult.
A&Ms 5 year recruiting average is 12
Arkies 5 year average is 29
Saban can take a team that averages 12 without him, to top 5 in the recruit rankings every year with ease
Taking a team that averages 29 without him is going to be alot more difficult.
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 9/19/17 at 4:24 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:
None of those jobs outside of Arkansas and ole miss are lateral
From an Aggy?
Texas A&M is like the building that's in the perfect place yet no business can survive there. Aka, the black hole of 'potential'.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 4:31 pm to Moustache
He has not been passed over, good coach, its just been well understood that he is content at Ok St, has a good gig there. Played there, coaches there, owns a restaurant right near campus, etc.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 4:35 pm to piggilicious
a&m is a better job than arkansas. im sorry but it is what it is
Posted on 9/19/17 at 5:06 pm to Moustache
quote:
I think tamu is a sleeping giant
They've been a "sleeping giant" for 100 years. Similar to the other "sleeping giants" I hear about - UCLA, UVA/UNC, Arizona State, etc. at what point do you just admit that they are a good but not great program.
The recruiting base thing is so overrated on here. Both Arkansas and OK State have plenty access to good recruits and a good coach will get these players. Problem with Arky is that Nutt, Petrino, and Bret B aren't good at it.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 5:10 pm to Sevendust912
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They've been a "sleeping giant" for 100 years. Similar to the other "sleeping giants" I hear about - UCLA, UVA/UNC, Arizona State, etc. at what point do you just admit that they are a good but not great program.
Exactly, that was the point of my comment too. I suppose A&M does look like the prettier job but once you wipe off the makeup, it's just a plain jane.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 5:10 pm to WestCoastAg
Remember Stewart Mandel's College Football pecking order - Prestige Rankings?
Well he keeps updating it - 2017.
Kings
Alabama
Clemson (they were a Baron in the 2012 list)
Florida
Florida State
LSU (they were a Baron in the old list)
Miami
Michigan
Notre Dame
Ohio State
Oklahoma
Penn State
Texas
USC
Barons
Auburn
Georgia
Michigan State
Nebraska
Oregon
Stanford
Tennessee
Texas A&M
UCLA
Virginia Tech
West Virginia
Wisconsin
Knights
Arizona State
Arkansas
Baylor
Boise State
Boston College
BYU
Cal
Colorado
Georgia Tech
Illinois
Iowa
Kansas State
Louisville
Maryland
Missouri
North Carolina
NC State
Northwestern
Oklahoma State
Ole Miss
Oregon State
Pittsburgh
Purdue
Syracuse
South Carolina
TCU
Texas Tech
Utah
West Virginia
Virginia
Washington
Well he keeps updating it - 2017.
Kings
Alabama
Clemson (they were a Baron in the 2012 list)
Florida
Florida State
LSU (they were a Baron in the old list)
Miami
Michigan
Notre Dame
Ohio State
Oklahoma
Penn State
Texas
USC
Barons
Auburn
Georgia
Michigan State
Nebraska
Oregon
Stanford
Tennessee
Texas A&M
UCLA
Virginia Tech
West Virginia
Wisconsin
Knights
Arizona State
Arkansas
Baylor
Boise State
Boston College
BYU
Cal
Colorado
Georgia Tech
Illinois
Iowa
Kansas State
Louisville
Maryland
Missouri
North Carolina
NC State
Northwestern
Oklahoma State
Ole Miss
Oregon State
Pittsburgh
Purdue
Syracuse
South Carolina
TCU
Texas Tech
Utah
West Virginia
Virginia
Washington
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 5:12 pm
Posted on 9/19/17 at 5:19 pm to Sevendust912
quote:UNC, UVA, and ASU are sleeping giants you hear about? Do you hang out with meth heads?
years. Similar to the other "sleeping giants" I hear about - UCLA, UVA/UNC, Arizona State, e
Posted on 9/19/17 at 5:27 pm to lsupride87
quote:
UNC, UVA, and ASU are sleeping giants you hear about? Do you hang out with meth heads?
Nah smart, guy. I've just seen it countless times over the years on this very board.
"The SEC should invite UNC and UVA. If they played in a real football league and put an emphasis on football they would be sleeping giants."
"ASU should go after (insert coach here). They are a sleeping giant, get to live in Phoenix, all the hot bitches, and easy access to AZ and SoCal recruits!"
Posted on 9/19/17 at 5:28 pm to Sevendust912
quote:Please frickingn link this
"The SEC should invite UNC and UVA. If they played in a real football league and put an emphasis on football they would be sleeping giants."
"ASU should go after (insert coach here). They are a sleeping giant, get to live in Phoenix, all the hot bitches, and easy access to AZ and SoCal recruits!"
Anyone who said UnC or uva are sleeping Giants need to be neutered This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 5:29 pm
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