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re: What professional franchise has the worst 5 year outlook from today?
Posted on 3/28/17 at 11:48 pm to BBONDS25
Posted on 3/28/17 at 11:48 pm to BBONDS25
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Run TMC was a beautiful time to grow up in the Bay Area.
yes, but not big.
and then
trading Anfernee Hardaway and two more picks for Chris Webber without signing Webber to a deal more than a year.
then many many bad draft years in a row.
Sprewell was the only keeper in this long list and he choked his coach and left for the NY Knicks where he got to a finals.
Chris Washburn #3 pick in the draft. drugs
Sharunus Marcelonus broke his ankle running in the woods in Lithuania.
W's traded Mitch Richmond after he stepped back over the side line twice in the same playoff series with seconds to go, personally losing two games in the round. got Syracuse Owens. Dude never figured out how to shoot on the move or how to pull up.
and finally, Sprewell choked the coach. next pick was some pasty white guy who faded fast. Kobe went two picks later.
Oh and they got Alton OLD MAN BUTT MUSCLE Lister for the pick that became Shawn Kemp.
Oh and they picked a guy from Purdue with their 2nd round pick after they didn't have a first round pick and the guy was afraid to go to DePaul out of high school because he didn't want to play center, but with injuries at Purdue, he played Center. The W's drafted him to play center and he could barely play PF in the Association.
A lot of bad.
Onward W's. Visualize KD playing.
This post was edited on 3/28/17 at 11:50 pm
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 11:57 pm to Ross
id say both new orleans franchises will battle each other for the worst
Posted on 3/29/17 at 12:10 am to rocket31
Saints finally had an offseason with money and didn't spend it like retards. They still have an elite offense but need to field an actual defense instead of guys for the streets.
The pelicans need to use this offseason and build around cousins/Davis, they could be a playoff team if they actually get legit players which they have the ability to.
Maybe 10 year outlook, but 5 years is their window to either improve or rebuild.
5 year.
NFL: San Fran or LA rams
NBA: obviously Brooklyn. No picks for 2 years and one quality player who isn't elite.
The pelicans need to use this offseason and build around cousins/Davis, they could be a playoff team if they actually get legit players which they have the ability to.
Maybe 10 year outlook, but 5 years is their window to either improve or rebuild.
5 year.
NFL: San Fran or LA rams
NBA: obviously Brooklyn. No picks for 2 years and one quality player who isn't elite.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 12:13 am to Ross
Lakers
They will have a 7yr playoff drought
They will have a 7yr playoff drought
Posted on 3/29/17 at 12:20 am to CelticDog
Actually that Chris Webber to Washington killed that franchise
I do not remember all the details but if I remember correctly it was a problem with Don Nelson
In return the Warriors received Tom Gugliotta from NCSU who was a decent player but not a player to build a franchise around
After that trade they missed the playoffs until 2007
I do not remember all the details but if I remember correctly it was a problem with Don Nelson
In return the Warriors received Tom Gugliotta from NCSU who was a decent player but not a player to build a franchise around
After that trade they missed the playoffs until 2007
Posted on 3/29/17 at 12:21 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
quote:I don't know, the Grizzlies have done it twice. Went from 28 wins in 2002-2003 to 50 wins in 2003-2004. Then they went from 24 wins in 2008-2009 (3 straight sub 25 win seasons) to 40 wins in 2009-2010 and then 46 wins in 2010-2011.
Teams rarely go from 25-30 wins to 50 wins in the NBA. Even if you hit on a star in the high lottery it can take several years to actually be relevant (see: the Minnesota Timberwolves). And the Nets don't have their own high lotto pick for the next two years. Hitting on a star in the mid to late first round is so tough
The Nets went from 26 wins in 2001-2002 to 52 wins a season later.
The Nuggets went from 17 wins in 2002-2003 to 43 the following season
The Suns went from 29 wins in 2003-2004 to 62 wins the following season
The Spurs went from 20 wins in 1996-1997 to 56 wins the following season
The Celtics went from 24 wins in 2006-2007 to 66 wins the following season
The Thunder went from 23 wins in 2008-2009 to 50 wins the following season
to name a few
In basketball it can take just 1 or 2 players to turn a franchise around. You can't say that about other sports unless an NFL team signs a big free agent at QB. Sure NFL teams will have ebbs and flows more so than other sports, but I still think it's easier to turn a basketball franchise around, especially if you're in a major market with money to spend.
This post was edited on 3/29/17 at 12:26 am
Posted on 3/29/17 at 12:25 am to lsufball19
Jason Kidd
Carmelo
Steve Nash
Tim Duncan
Garnett and Ray Allen
Exemptions to the norm not the norm and exemptions because they all acquired a key player through the draft, free agency or trades
Carmelo
Steve Nash
Tim Duncan
Garnett and Ray Allen
Exemptions to the norm not the norm and exemptions because they all acquired a key player through the draft, free agency or trades
This post was edited on 3/29/17 at 12:26 am
Posted on 3/29/17 at 12:27 am to Kings of Carolinas
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because they all acquired a key player through the draft, free agency or trades
isn't that the only way to acquire players
key part being it took one or two players to turn around the franchise.This post was edited on 3/29/17 at 12:28 am
Posted on 3/29/17 at 12:32 am to lsufball19
Yes but only one of those franchises sustained those 50 win seasons over a long stretch and the other team who drafted such a player sustained 50 win seasons until they traded their player but he did not join a team with a future hall of famer
The season before the Spurs drafted Duncan David Robinson was injured for most of the year and this was the reason for their horrible record
I do not see why NBA teams try to build teams through trades and Free Agency
The draft to me has been a way to build a team
I believe Danny Ainge saw this after the trades for Garnett and Ray Allen
The season before the Spurs drafted Duncan David Robinson was injured for most of the year and this was the reason for their horrible record
I do not see why NBA teams try to build teams through trades and Free Agency
The draft to me has been a way to build a team
I believe Danny Ainge saw this after the trades for Garnett and Ray Allen
This post was edited on 3/29/17 at 12:33 am
Posted on 3/29/17 at 12:34 am to Kings of Carolinas
because its really difficult to build through the draft in the NBA. unless you have made some trades, you only have two chances
Posted on 3/29/17 at 12:39 am to Kings of Carolinas
While no they have not sustained 50 win seasons (although they did have three straight 50+ win seasons), the Grizzlies went from one of the worst teams in the NBA to a perennial playoff team with no real star power on the team. And outside Mike Conley, all of the players the Grizzlies added to build the team were through FA and trades. They were the only team willing to risk taking on Zbo. They traded for Marc Gasol on draft day. They signed Tony Allen through FA. Those 3 and Conley are the core from the run they've been on. And basically all the other role players they've added through the years have not been through the draft. The Grizzlies draft history is actually been pretty awful. Mike Conley is the only player they've ever drafted since the move to Memphis that has panned out. (they have traded several, however, that turned out to be great with other teams)
It's actually much more rare to build a team through the draft. The Thunder were an anomaly
It's actually much more rare to build a team through the draft. The Thunder were an anomaly
This post was edited on 3/29/17 at 12:43 am
Posted on 3/29/17 at 12:42 am to WestCoastAg
I think it is horrible scouting, bad management but more importantly it is franchises afraid of how fans will react.
The NBA especially before the last stoppage was a league in which a lot of teams were not making the profits that the owners wish because in many cities basketball is the 3rd or even 4th sport for cities like Detroit and maybe Boston.
I believe if I would look through the last 10 drafts I would see certain teams who have had better success than others with their drafts. Especially a team like the Spurs. I do not believe it is just a matter of luck
The NBA especially before the last stoppage was a league in which a lot of teams were not making the profits that the owners wish because in many cities basketball is the 3rd or even 4th sport for cities like Detroit and maybe Boston.
I believe if I would look through the last 10 drafts I would see certain teams who have had better success than others with their drafts. Especially a team like the Spurs. I do not believe it is just a matter of luck
Posted on 3/29/17 at 12:42 am to lsufball19
Spurs.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 12:48 am to lsufball19
The Marc Gasol trade was for his brother Pau
It happen during the season
What really turned around their franchise is taking a chance on Zach Randolph who was considered a cancer before he came to Memphis
It happen during the season
What really turned around their franchise is taking a chance on Zach Randolph who was considered a cancer before he came to Memphis
This post was edited on 3/29/17 at 12:50 am
Posted on 3/29/17 at 12:53 am to Kings of Carolinas
quote:yes, the spurs have had draft picks work out. but that has more to do with pop in my opinion that anything else. trading for kawhi on draft night was incredible, but its telling that they had to go out and sign LMA
. Especially a team like the Spurs.
look at their first round picks since 2011 which was the draft they traded for kawhi
2011: corey joseph
2012: didnt have a pick, second rounder never signed
2013: livio jean-charles
2014: kyle anderson
2015: nikola milutinov
2016: dejounte murray
the spurs have been picking in the late 20s basically this whole time and yet you still see teams in the NFL, MLB, etc regularly find value in that stage of the 1st round
drafting is paramount to success in baseball and football. not so much in basketball. its obviously the preferred way to go as it gives you more control and allows you to build your team organically, but it makes more sense in basketball to build your team through free agency if you can never get a top pick
Posted on 3/29/17 at 12:58 am to Kings of Carolinas
quote:
The Marc Gasol trade was for his brother Pau
I realize this. The Grizzlies traded an All-Star for the rights to Marc Gasol, who had yet to play an NBA game
quote:
What really turned around their franchise is taking a chance on Zach Randolph who was considered a cancer before he came to Memphis
yes, I know, and Zbo was not acquired through the draft
Tony Allen was not acquired through the draft.
The Grizzlies have exactly one player on their active roster they drafted, Mike Conley. Andrew Harrison was acquired through the draft but through a trade on draft night.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:02 am to WestCoastAg
The draft in baseball is more of a crapshoot
Truthfully I think international signings is the way to go especially before the new international signing guidelines were implemented
How the system is set up teams are punished for signing FA's and teams are rewarded for allowing their players to leave
I think it is better than it was before probably about the late 90's when under one half of the first round picks would even make it to Triple A but the difference in the percentage of major leaguers between the first five or six rounds is very small
Truthfully I think international signings is the way to go especially before the new international signing guidelines were implemented
How the system is set up teams are punished for signing FA's and teams are rewarded for allowing their players to leave
I think it is better than it was before probably about the late 90's when under one half of the first round picks would even make it to Triple A but the difference in the percentage of major leaguers between the first five or six rounds is very small
Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:05 am to Kings of Carolinas
The draft is always going to be a crap shoot when you're spending 1st round picks on 18 and 19 year old players who are very raw and it's unpredictable if their talent will develop. Football has a major advantage in that regard. They're drafting guys that have matured physically and mentally. The baseball draft of high school players is as much of a crap shoot as recruiting is in football. Think about all the top 100 high school recruits never heard from again. Now imagine investing a first round pick and several million dollars on them. Baseball does benefit however from having 50+ picks and multiple minor league levels to properly develop players prior to signing them to huge contracts
This post was edited on 3/29/17 at 1:09 am
Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:07 am to Kings of Carolinas
quote:all of professional sport drafting is a crap shoot. but baseball teams that scout well and have the developmental systems in place in their minor league systems generally do better than teams that dont. relying on free agency in baseball is one of the most inefficient things in all of sport due to the inflated costs and the fact that you are losing a draft pick in some cases
The draft in baseball is more of a crapshoot
Posted on 3/29/17 at 2:41 am to NWLA Tiguh12
quote:
Saints
I can agree to the Saints if only because it will be nearly impossible to replace Brees. A lot of the offense is due to him being a phenomonal QB.
I can see the Saints struggling if they don't get a solid QB after him.
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