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Posted on 10/31/11 at 6:38 pm to DelU249
Posted on 10/31/11 at 6:38 pm to DelU249
Please tell me you are not this dumb.
It is about being PROVEN to NFL scouts. Being in the pro system and having a great coach takes the guessing out of it and it doesn't mean that Cam cannot prove it once he is in the NFL (he already has in my eyes).
Look at JR, he had all the talent in the world, but did not do the small things needed to be great. He could potentially have another shot and do it, but he always leaned on his talent too much.
I would love to see Cam turn out to be better than Luck, but Luck is more proven than Cam was coming out. See, it is like a job interview, the GMs want to only take on so much risk.
It is about being PROVEN to NFL scouts. Being in the pro system and having a great coach takes the guessing out of it and it doesn't mean that Cam cannot prove it once he is in the NFL (he already has in my eyes).
Look at JR, he had all the talent in the world, but did not do the small things needed to be great. He could potentially have another shot and do it, but he always leaned on his talent too much.
I would love to see Cam turn out to be better than Luck, but Luck is more proven than Cam was coming out. See, it is like a job interview, the GMs want to only take on so much risk.
Posted on 10/31/11 at 7:00 pm to DelU249
Cam was in an spread option gimmick type offense which is not run in the pros, so there was no film of him playing in a pro style offense (in D1 atleast), so you could only speculate as how effective of a passer he would be under center because throwing and making reads out of the option spread is much different than a pro style offense. Also, running the ball was a huge part of cam's game. You could only speculate as to how effective he would be moving the ball downfield if forced to rely primarily on his throwing.
Basically it comes down to known vs unknowns. All of the unknowns previously stated about cam were knowns with Luck (at the college level).
Cam was the #1 pick because of his upside. Scouts know he has all the tools, but it was just a question of whether or not he would be able to transition from Auburn's offense to a pro style NFL offense. We are now seeing that "upside" coming into fruition.
Basically it comes down to known vs unknowns. All of the unknowns previously stated about cam were knowns with Luck (at the college level).
Cam was the #1 pick because of his upside. Scouts know he has all the tools, but it was just a question of whether or not he would be able to transition from Auburn's offense to a pro style NFL offense. We are now seeing that "upside" coming into fruition.
Posted on 10/31/11 at 7:08 pm to Costanza
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Statistically, yes. He is.
Seriously? Cam's 11 TDs & 9 INTs in 8 games are close to Rodgers' 20 TDs & 3 INTs in 7 games? You may want to re-think that.
With that being said, Cam is having a great rookie season, and is certainly well on his way to being elite. Let's just not crown him after only 8 games.
Posted on 10/31/11 at 8:38 pm to Costanza
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Statistically, yes. He is.
11 TDs 9 ints
2-6
Not elite !!
Posted on 10/31/11 at 8:44 pm to DelU249
So since accuracy, size, and arm strength are strengths for both of them, they are automatically equal in all of those categories? Nobody is saying Cam sucks at those things, but he's not Luck.
Secondly, whether or not Luck inherited a pro style system through no doing of his own matters not. Scouts look at it as valuable experience while Newton's gimmicky offense was not as relevant of experience and also harder to get an idea of how it would carry over to the NFL..
Secondly, whether or not Luck inherited a pro style system through no doing of his own matters not. Scouts look at it as valuable experience while Newton's gimmicky offense was not as relevant of experience and also harder to get an idea of how it would carry over to the NFL..
Posted on 10/31/11 at 8:57 pm to DelU249
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as a prospect everyone was saying he sucks.
Seriously? Every mock draft I saw had him in the first round, some had him low first and others had him high. He ended up going 1st so I think its a bit of a stretch to say everyone thought he would suck.
I think a lot of NFL people were concerned about his work ethic and attitude, I remember hearing Jamarcus name come up a few times. Obviously there were character concerns about him; the stealing of a laptop, grades, the pay for play, all that stuff will get people to question a player. Glad he's proved a lot of people wrong thou, Cam's a lot of fun to watch.
This post was edited on 10/31/11 at 8:58 pm
Posted on 10/31/11 at 9:14 pm to 33inNC
JR played in pro sets...so did
Matt leinart
Kyle boller
JP Losman
Chad Henne
Mark Sanchez
Brady Quinn
Brees was a spread QB, Josh Freeman, roethlisberger, Mcnabb were not pro style college QBs. Notice all except Brees made an immediate impact.
It is justifiable to look at it, but I think people overvalue it. Good QBs are good QBs regardless of what system they play in.
Matt leinart
Kyle boller
JP Losman
Chad Henne
Mark Sanchez
Brady Quinn
Brees was a spread QB, Josh Freeman, roethlisberger, Mcnabb were not pro style college QBs. Notice all except Brees made an immediate impact.
It is justifiable to look at it, but I think people overvalue it. Good QBs are good QBs regardless of what system they play in.
Posted on 10/31/11 at 9:37 pm to DelU249
The offense he plays in and because he's white.
Posted on 10/31/11 at 9:40 pm to DelU249
i'm just so glad that cam has done well cause it shows how much those idiots on ESPN really know (mcshay and kiper)
it didnt take a genius to figure out that Newton was a great pro pospect. if you watched Auburn's game from last year he got better and better as the year went on
he made accurate throws, he was a leader, was mobile but also didnt look to run only whenever the pocket collapsed, he was clutch when he needed to be, he made everyone around him better, he had a strong arm
ok he didnt play in a pro style offense, but lets be real, that doesnt guarantee success in the NFL, it means there might be less of a transition, but a smart kid with practice can learn a new system
it didnt take a genius to figure out that Newton was a great pro pospect. if you watched Auburn's game from last year he got better and better as the year went on
he made accurate throws, he was a leader, was mobile but also didnt look to run only whenever the pocket collapsed, he was clutch when he needed to be, he made everyone around him better, he had a strong arm
ok he didnt play in a pro style offense, but lets be real, that doesnt guarantee success in the NFL, it means there might be less of a transition, but a smart kid with practice can learn a new system
Posted on 10/31/11 at 9:41 pm to DelU249
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JR played in pro sets...so did
Matt leinart
Kyle boller
JP Losman
Chad Henne
Mark Sanchez
Brady Quinn
You are just skewing things to your advantage now. No one is saying being in a pro style offense makes you good or is even necessary, but it helps. For example, who would make a better hunter, a kid who grew up in a rural, wooded area or a kid who grew up in the city? More than likely, the first kid, but that isn't to say the second one wouldn't be a good hunter.
Anyway, like everyone else said, the reason Luck is seen as a better prospect is because he is more polished and he is just better at all of the things you mentioned except running outside of the pocket. Cam is good at those things too, but Luck is better.
Posted on 10/31/11 at 9:42 pm to TIsuGGER
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11 TDs 9 ints
2-6
Not elite !!
And he also has 319 rushing yards and 7 TDs on the ground. He's carrying this offense, and every game they have played has come down to the wire. Without Cam, the Panthers are 0-8 and well on their way to another #1 draft pick in next years NFL draft.
Posted on 10/31/11 at 9:44 pm to DelU249
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Brees was a spread QB
You're not insinuating that Brees and Cam played in remotely similar offenses are you?
Brees played with 3-4 wide pocket passer. He wasn't an off-tackle running machine.
This post was edited on 10/31/11 at 9:45 pm
Posted on 10/31/11 at 9:48 pm to DelU249
Luck is by far a better prospect then anyone we've seen the last 10 years.
Posted on 10/31/11 at 9:50 pm to Zamoro10
No I'm not, the reason a pro style offense is so crucial according to the expert is taking snaps under center and dropping back
Brees was a shotgun QB same as cam
Brees was a shotgun QB same as cam
Posted on 10/31/11 at 9:52 pm to DelU249
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crucial according to the expert is taking snaps under center and dropping back
Pretty sure it has a lot to do with the way the offense is actually ran also, not necessarily dropping back and where you are taking snaps.
Posted on 10/31/11 at 9:54 pm to F machine
It's reading a defense under center and while dropping back.
Posted on 10/31/11 at 10:00 pm to DelU249
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It's reading a defense under center and while dropping back.
But you would obviously understand the workings of a pro offense better if you worked in one during college.
Posted on 10/31/11 at 10:10 pm to F machine
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Course, but that is not the difficult part. I just don't think it's important....that is just getting into too much detail and really as a host of good QBs in the NFL
Have proven...it's not really a big deal
Course, but that is not the difficult part. I just don't think it's important....that is just getting into too much detail and really as a host of good QBs in the NFL
Have proven...it's not really a big deal
Posted on 10/31/11 at 10:13 pm to Lester Earl
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Newton has done a lot better than expected, but he still has a ways to go before he becomes a elite NFL passer.
Maybe in terms of traditional qb, but he is performing like a top 5 qb today.
Posted on 10/31/11 at 10:13 pm to DelU249
Polish vs Rawness. Luck is more NFL ready.
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