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re: Too many guys are declaring for the NBA Draft
Posted on 4/9/15 at 3:21 pm to Sellecks Moustache
Posted on 4/9/15 at 3:21 pm to Sellecks Moustache
JP Tokoto declaring is the most absurd shite I've ever heard of. I'm not sure he'd get picked up by the Harlem Globetrotters!
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Posted on 4/9/15 at 4:03 pm to HoLeInOnEr05
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JP Tokoto declaring is the most absurd shite I've ever heard of.
Especially since he burned some major bridges,
“I feel like there can be a lot more to me as a player, more than just the defensive player who can occasionally dunk the ball,” Tokoto told Yahoo Sports. “I know I can be so much more, but I’m not sure that I’m pushed to be that much more [in college].
“I want to focus on my game, working with trainers and pro coaches over the summer and next year. I think that’ll give me the best chance to grow than staying in school and being that player that fit into the mold of my first three years [at Carolina].”
Posted on 4/9/15 at 4:22 pm to Keys Open Doors
The NBA should follow the MLB. If a player doesn't like his draft position, he should be allowed to return to school.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 4:51 pm to Sellecks Moustache
Tokoto must think he is still 15 years old and a top 5-10 national prospect. Roy gave him plenty of chances and used him as well as possible. He is a good defender, very athletic, and has improved his 3 point shooting. He also is a terrible mid-range shooter, who insists on taking inefficient shots. Honestly, if I was Roy, I would have yanked him much sooner in games and held him on a tighter leash.
He needs to realize he is a limited player and focus on his strengths to become a role player. Lance Thomas is terrible at basketball, but he has already made 4-5 million bucks bc he focuses on the handful of things he's good at (one on one defense, calling out picks, not being a ball hog on offense). Certainly beats playing in Serbia.
And calling out an extremely powerful guy, who has helped out many players who have fallen on less than ideal times is the dumbest thing I've heard of. There's a reason why guys rarely leave UNC/Kansas/Duke on bad terms. If you can't be successful on your own, whether in basketball or life, you can always get a job in town. If you're smart, you can sell medical devices or something like that. A little dumber, maybe selling cars or insurance, plus either way, you can get on the summer coaching circuit. All combined you can make a very solid income if you're on good terms with coaches and wealthy alumni who don't feel like you've used the program.
He needs to realize he is a limited player and focus on his strengths to become a role player. Lance Thomas is terrible at basketball, but he has already made 4-5 million bucks bc he focuses on the handful of things he's good at (one on one defense, calling out picks, not being a ball hog on offense). Certainly beats playing in Serbia.
And calling out an extremely powerful guy, who has helped out many players who have fallen on less than ideal times is the dumbest thing I've heard of. There's a reason why guys rarely leave UNC/Kansas/Duke on bad terms. If you can't be successful on your own, whether in basketball or life, you can always get a job in town. If you're smart, you can sell medical devices or something like that. A little dumber, maybe selling cars or insurance, plus either way, you can get on the summer coaching circuit. All combined you can make a very solid income if you're on good terms with coaches and wealthy alumni who don't feel like you've used the program.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 4:55 pm to LSUzealot
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Why do people hate on basketball players who want to play overseas, get paid playing against better players, which will overall improve their game while going for the NBA next year?
The guys who go to Europe and come back are pretty rare. Patrick Beverly is a rare example. There are some others, but it's certainly not a common occurrence. Now there are certainly guys making 1-4 million in Turkey, Spain, and Russia. But that's maybe 4 Americans per team on 12 teams. 48 players between the ages of 22 and 35. You do the math, it isn't incredibly likely for any particular player to be that person (and most of those guys are like Trajan Langdon and have a resume to entice European clubs, like being a first rounder and several years of NBA experience).
Josh Childress was a one time thing, and nothing has come close to his contract.
The reality is the majority of guys make between 50 and 120K in Europe, playing with coaches they hate, flying coach, and living in shitty apartments with few amenities. And it doesn't get better for the majority of guys.
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No one hates on high school kids who leave for the MLB draft early only to never even sniff the majors.
Because no one cares about high school baseball enough to know the names of the guys in the first place.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 5:07 pm to Keys Open Doors
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Lance Thomas is terrible at basketball
shut your whore mouth
Posted on 4/9/15 at 5:46 pm to Keys Open Doors
Word on the street is that Justin Anderson is going to enter the draft
Posted on 4/9/15 at 5:59 pm to REG861
That's a tough loss for UVA if true
Posted on 4/9/15 at 6:04 pm to Keys Open Doors
IMHO the guys who stay in college 3 or 4 years have a much better chance of actually landing on an NBA team than guys who declare with 1 or even 2 years out of college. You can't learn the intricacies of the game 1 to 2 years out of high school unless you are a very rare bird.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 7:35 pm to REG861
Wow. I can't believe it. Figured he would definitely stay at UVA and try to win one after the freak ending to his year.
And he's going to get picked
Behind Winslow, Johnson, Looney, Lyles, Dekker, and Oubre for sure. Probably behind Hollis-Jefferson, Booker, and some other guys too.
And he's going to get picked
Behind Winslow, Johnson, Looney, Lyles, Dekker, and Oubre for sure. Probably behind Hollis-Jefferson, Booker, and some other guys too.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 8:07 pm to Sellecks Moustache
Kansas only has 4 one and dones fwiw
6 now
6 now
Posted on 4/9/15 at 8:09 pm to MrLSU
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IMHO the guys who stay in college 3 or 4 years have a much better chance of actually landing on an NBA team than guys who declare with 1 or even 2 years out of college.
Not really.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 8:16 pm to Keys Open Doors
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Wow. I can't believe it. Figured he would definitely stay at UVA and try to win one after the freak ending to his year.
hey i just said rumors, who knows
Posted on 4/9/15 at 8:21 pm to REG861
NbaDraft.net changed him from 50-50 to Likely to Leave as well. They're the best at figuring out who is going pro, while,Draft Express is the best at mocks. Seems like there's some truth to it.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 8:24 pm to Keys Open Doors
I didnt realize Olivier Hanlan was a possible 1st rounder. Good for him.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 9:39 pm to MrLSU
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IMHO the guys who stay in college 3 or 4 years have a much better chance of actually landing on an NBA team than guys who declare with 1 or even 2 years out of college. You can't learn the intricacies of the game 1 to 2 years out of high school unless you are a very rare bird.
While there is no doubt that this is true, some guys just can't hack it through 3-4 years of college. I know tons of people that dropped out and then came back when they were focused on their studies. I'm sure a lot of athletes don't pick the hardest majors. But they still have to keep progressing through school. The classes get harder and more demanding. Besides that's not what many want to do. They want to be professional athletes. It's not easy balancing both activities at the same time. Whether they go after their 1st year or 4th year. The chances of making big money are still very slim. It might be better to try when you are younger, healthier and driven to make it happen..
Posted on 4/9/15 at 10:24 pm to Sellecks Moustache
So Cal has coached about 30% of all one and dones since 06? 
This post was edited on 4/9/15 at 10:25 pm
Posted on 4/10/15 at 12:53 am to REG861
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Olivier Hanlan
I want him to be a first round pick so bad.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 5:46 pm to Sellecks Moustache
Selden is returning to Kansas. Big for them
Posted on 4/10/15 at 5:57 pm to MrLSU
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IMHO the guys who stay in college 3 or 4 years have a much better chance of actually landing on an NBA team than guys who declare with 1 or even 2 years out of college. You can't learn the intricacies of the game 1 to 2 years out of high school unless you are a very rare bird.
This is skill vs talent. You can stay in school for as many years as you want but your talent level isn't going to change. You either have it or you don't. Skills aren't going to lift someone who just isn't that fast or big into the first round.
Skills are great but talent is what gives players ability to utilize that skill at a high level in the pros. Teams would rather take the talent and hope skills develop, because the reverse is impossible. There are people on the streets with greater skills than many NBA players. There are people you never heard of that can shoot the lights out. But you put those guys in an NBA game and they wouldn't be able to get any shots off.
I don't blame the kids. The opportunity costs involved with supremely talented players staying in school to work on skills are far too great. They have to get the money as soon as they can.
This post was edited on 4/10/15 at 6:02 pm
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