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re: This choke has NOTHING to do with Strasburg

Posted on 10/13/12 at 12:09 am to
Posted by KBeezy
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2004
13529 posts
Posted on 10/13/12 at 12:09 am to
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It's about winning long-term which is what GMs get paid to plan for.


Truly makes no sense. I don't mean the strategy of winning long term makes no sense, I mean the argument in this case makes no sense

Is winning a title 3 years from now somehow better than right now? They had a shot to do it NOW, how is it a legit argument to say "yeah but he MIGHT get hurt, then we won't have him for next year"?

Notre dame is undefeated and going for a national title. Should they sit their veteran qbs do develop gunner kiel for a possible title run two years from now?
Posted by LSUsmartass
Scompton
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 10/13/12 at 12:17 am to
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Is winning a title 3 years from now somehow better than right now? They had a shot to do it NOW, how is it a legit argument to say "yeah but he MIGHT get hurt, then we won't have him for next year"?


This is what I scream when a team has a chance to trade away an unproven aaa prospect for a year and a half "rental" player along with a hugely bolstered chance to make the playoffs and win the WS in that season...no, they want to hold on to the unproven player until they mature 3 years down the road all while all the other pieces on the team fall apart and there are even bigger issues/gaps when that young player is finally ready.
Posted by VerlanderBEAST
Member since Dec 2011
18984 posts
Posted on 10/13/12 at 12:35 am to
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lol, what? You left your best arm on the bench for no other reason then being cautious

The only person on earth who agreed with it is the GM

The shitty part is you could of still been cautious while having Strasburg for the playoffs.
Posted by Jumbeauxlaya
LSU
Member since Jan 2011
18083 posts
Posted on 10/13/12 at 12:56 am to
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This choke has NOTHING to do with Strasburg


There's no way a star pitcher would have made a difference in 5 games, you're right.


Wait. GTFO.
Posted by bbap
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2006
96012 posts
Posted on 10/13/12 at 1:01 am to
Nats are lucky they weren't swept. But if we had stras!!!

If not for holbrook!!!
This post was edited on 10/13/12 at 1:02 am
Posted by LSUandAU
Key West, FL & Malibu (L.A.), CA
Member since Apr 2009
4948 posts
Posted on 10/13/12 at 1:10 am to
It's not a choke. It is freaking baseball...a streaky game.
Posted by LSUandAU
Key West, FL & Malibu (L.A.), CA
Member since Apr 2009
4948 posts
Posted on 10/13/12 at 1:10 am to
Wireless Internet...hit submit a 2nd time and got the duplicate post!
This post was edited on 10/13/12 at 1:12 am
Posted by lsutigers1992
Member since Mar 2006
25317 posts
Posted on 10/13/12 at 7:03 am to
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There's no way a star pitcher would have made a difference in 5 games, you're right.


The Phillies have three of them and missed the playoffs. And suffered the same fate against the Cardinals last year.

The Braves had three for a decade and a half and won one championship.

shite happens. Deal with it.

They had a 6-0 lead in game 5 and lost. They fricking lost. And Strasburg would have been pulled in the 5th tonight to save him for the NLCS and you know I'm right.
Posted by RandySavage
Member since May 2012
30840 posts
Posted on 10/13/12 at 7:09 am to
Hahahahahaha eat a dong. That's what you get for being stupid pusses. I love it. I hope that worthless organization never gets back to the playoffs.
Posted by KBeezy
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2004
13529 posts
Posted on 10/13/12 at 7:35 am to
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The Phillies have three of them and missed the playoffs. And suffered the same fate against the Cardinals last year. The Braves had three for a decade and a half and won one championship.


Which is why you go for the title when you have the chance. Not put something in reserve for next season, you may never again get back to the playoffs

And the argument is that maybe there isn't a game 5 period if stras plays in this series
Posted by lsutigers1992
Member since Mar 2006
25317 posts
Posted on 10/13/12 at 7:51 am to
Well, that's a pretty weak argument if you ask me. Especially looking at Strasburg DEFINITELY being on a pitch count and the bullpen being shite.

They've been cautious with him all year and now everyone acts like he was good for an automatic nine inning 125 pitch shutout. That ABSOLUTELY was not happening. Even if he pitched well, which contrary to popular belief was NOT a certainty, he would have been pulled by the sixth, win or lose.
Posted by Buckeye Backer
Columbus, Ohio
Member since Aug 2009
9240 posts
Posted on 10/13/12 at 8:42 am to
IMO The ultimate hindsight is still yet to be determined. What if in Strasburg's 2nd start next year he blows his arm out? Then what? There isnt any guarantee he sticks long term. The Nationals placed winning a championship second in this situation. The fans paid hard earned real money to see their team win. If i were Strasburg, when it comes time to resign, id tell them im taking my rested arm somewhere else to pitch.
Posted by sms151t
Polos, Porsches, Ponies..PROBATION
Member since Aug 2009
139840 posts
Posted on 10/13/12 at 9:07 am to
Considering Boras and Strasburg wouldn't have signed with the Nats if this deal wasn't in place about innings. You guys can't blame the Nats for this at all. They did what they felt was right. I recall that in his last start he got shelled, the start before he lost velocity and mechanics struggled.
I commend the Nats for sticking with what they said they would do all year long, including spring training.
Posted by VerlanderBEAST
Member since Dec 2011
18984 posts
Posted on 10/13/12 at 9:09 am to
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Considering Boras and Strasburg wouldn't have signed with the Nats if this deal wasn't in place about innings. You guys can't blame the Nats for this at all. They did what they felt was right. I recall that in his last start he got shelled, the start before he lost velocity and mechanics struggled.
I commend the Nats for sticking with what they said they would do all year long, including spring training.


They aren't exclusive. You could of had the innings limit and still had him in the playoffs
This post was edited on 10/13/12 at 9:14 am
Posted by sms151t
Polos, Porsches, Ponies..PROBATION
Member since Aug 2009
139840 posts
Posted on 10/13/12 at 9:11 am to
You would screw 2 arms up to save 1?

I guess you never saw how the Nats handled Detwiler right after he was drafted.

When's his pen day? When does he run? When's his soft toss?

It's the whe routine not just innings you're messing with. You add days you mess with others and their arms. So lets screw up all the arms to save Stras, brilliant.
This post was edited on 10/13/12 at 9:15 am
Posted by Govt Tide
Member since Nov 2009
9113 posts
Posted on 10/13/12 at 9:18 am to
The Strasburg situation is the most glaring and ridiculous example of the baseball nerd mentality of overthinking every situation. Imagine the Chicago Bulls deciding to shut down MJ for the playoffs to make sure he isn't worn out for the following seasons. Seriously, in what sport other than baseball does a team's franchise player shut down during the most critical run of the season which is the postseason?
Posted by RandySavage
Member since May 2012
30840 posts
Posted on 10/13/12 at 9:44 am to
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I commend the Nats for sticking with what they said they would do all year long, including spring training.



So if someone says they are going to do something unbelievably moronic you commend them if they follow through with it?
Posted by floridatigah
FL
Member since Oct 2004
10395 posts
Posted on 10/13/12 at 9:50 am to
The worst part about this whole thread is the myth that Strasburg is an ace right now. I don't know how anyone could watch that series and say that Strasburg would have pushed them over the top given the way he was pitching.
Posted by VerlanderBEAST
Member since Dec 2011
18984 posts
Posted on 10/13/12 at 9:54 am to
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given the way he was pitching.


If you're talking about his last couple of starts I would say anybody pitch badly in the situation he was in
Posted by floridatigah
FL
Member since Oct 2004
10395 posts
Posted on 10/13/12 at 10:01 am to
That was one start. His performance was up and down in the 2nd half. He was their 4th best pitcher in the 2nd half of the season and he doesn't go deep into games. Not seeing where he swings this series when his replacement pitched better than Gio and Zimmerman.
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