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re: This choke has NOTHING to do with Strasburg
Posted on 10/13/12 at 12:09 am to jacks40
Posted on 10/13/12 at 12:09 am to jacks40
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It's about winning long-term which is what GMs get paid to plan for.
Truly makes no sense. I don't mean the strategy of winning long term makes no sense, I mean the argument in this case makes no sense
Is winning a title 3 years from now somehow better than right now? They had a shot to do it NOW, how is it a legit argument to say "yeah but he MIGHT get hurt, then we won't have him for next year"?
Notre dame is undefeated and going for a national title. Should they sit their veteran qbs do develop gunner kiel for a possible title run two years from now?
Posted on 10/13/12 at 12:17 am to KBeezy
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Is winning a title 3 years from now somehow better than right now? They had a shot to do it NOW, how is it a legit argument to say "yeah but he MIGHT get hurt, then we won't have him for next year"?
This is what I scream when a team has a chance to trade away an unproven aaa prospect for a year and a half "rental" player along with a hugely bolstered chance to make the playoffs and win the WS in that season...no, they want to hold on to the unproven player until they mature 3 years down the road all while all the other pieces on the team fall apart and there are even bigger issues/gaps when that young player is finally ready.
Posted on 10/13/12 at 12:35 am to LSUsmartass
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lol, what? You left your best arm on the bench for no other reason then being cautious
The only person on earth who agreed with it is the GM
The shitty part is you could of still been cautious while having Strasburg for the playoffs.
Posted on 10/13/12 at 12:56 am to lsutigers1992
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This choke has NOTHING to do with Strasburg
There's no way a star pitcher would have made a difference in 5 games, you're right.
Wait. GTFO.
Posted on 10/13/12 at 1:01 am to Jumbeauxlaya
Nats are lucky they weren't swept. But if we had stras!!!
If not for holbrook!!!
If not for holbrook!!!
This post was edited on 10/13/12 at 1:02 am
Posted on 10/13/12 at 1:10 am to lsutigers1992
It's not a choke. It is freaking baseball...a streaky game.
Posted on 10/13/12 at 1:10 am to lsutigers1992
Wireless Internet...hit submit a 2nd time and got the duplicate post!
This post was edited on 10/13/12 at 1:12 am
Posted on 10/13/12 at 7:03 am to Jumbeauxlaya
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There's no way a star pitcher would have made a difference in 5 games, you're right.
The Phillies have three of them and missed the playoffs. And suffered the same fate against the Cardinals last year.
The Braves had three for a decade and a half and won one championship.
shite happens. Deal with it.
They had a 6-0 lead in game 5 and lost. They fricking lost. And Strasburg would have been pulled in the 5th tonight to save him for the NLCS and you know I'm right.
Posted on 10/13/12 at 7:09 am to lsutigers1992
Hahahahahaha eat a dong. That's what you get for being stupid pusses. I love it. I hope that worthless organization never gets back to the playoffs.
Posted on 10/13/12 at 7:35 am to lsutigers1992
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The Phillies have three of them and missed the playoffs. And suffered the same fate against the Cardinals last year. The Braves had three for a decade and a half and won one championship.
Which is why you go for the title when you have the chance. Not put something in reserve for next season, you may never again get back to the playoffs
And the argument is that maybe there isn't a game 5 period if stras plays in this series
Posted on 10/13/12 at 7:51 am to KBeezy
Well, that's a pretty weak argument if you ask me. Especially looking at Strasburg DEFINITELY being on a pitch count and the bullpen being shite.
They've been cautious with him all year and now everyone acts like he was good for an automatic nine inning 125 pitch shutout. That ABSOLUTELY was not happening. Even if he pitched well, which contrary to popular belief was NOT a certainty, he would have been pulled by the sixth, win or lose.
They've been cautious with him all year and now everyone acts like he was good for an automatic nine inning 125 pitch shutout. That ABSOLUTELY was not happening. Even if he pitched well, which contrary to popular belief was NOT a certainty, he would have been pulled by the sixth, win or lose.
Posted on 10/13/12 at 8:42 am to lsutigers1992
IMO The ultimate hindsight is still yet to be determined. What if in Strasburg's 2nd start next year he blows his arm out? Then what? There isnt any guarantee he sticks long term. The Nationals placed winning a championship second in this situation. The fans paid hard earned real money to see their team win. If i were Strasburg, when it comes time to resign, id tell them im taking my rested arm somewhere else to pitch.
Posted on 10/13/12 at 9:07 am to Buckeye Backer
Considering Boras and Strasburg wouldn't have signed with the Nats if this deal wasn't in place about innings. You guys can't blame the Nats for this at all. They did what they felt was right. I recall that in his last start he got shelled, the start before he lost velocity and mechanics struggled.
I commend the Nats for sticking with what they said they would do all year long, including spring training.
I commend the Nats for sticking with what they said they would do all year long, including spring training.
Posted on 10/13/12 at 9:09 am to sms151t
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Considering Boras and Strasburg wouldn't have signed with the Nats if this deal wasn't in place about innings. You guys can't blame the Nats for this at all. They did what they felt was right. I recall that in his last start he got shelled, the start before he lost velocity and mechanics struggled.
I commend the Nats for sticking with what they said they would do all year long, including spring training.
They aren't exclusive. You could of had the innings limit and still had him in the playoffs
This post was edited on 10/13/12 at 9:14 am
Posted on 10/13/12 at 9:11 am to VerlanderBEAST
You would screw 2 arms up to save 1?
I guess you never saw how the Nats handled Detwiler right after he was drafted.
When's his pen day? When does he run? When's his soft toss?
It's the whe routine not just innings you're messing with. You add days you mess with others and their arms. So lets screw up all the arms to save Stras, brilliant.
I guess you never saw how the Nats handled Detwiler right after he was drafted.
When's his pen day? When does he run? When's his soft toss?
It's the whe routine not just innings you're messing with. You add days you mess with others and their arms. So lets screw up all the arms to save Stras, brilliant.
This post was edited on 10/13/12 at 9:15 am
Posted on 10/13/12 at 9:18 am to VerlanderBEAST
The Strasburg situation is the most glaring and ridiculous example of the baseball nerd mentality of overthinking every situation. Imagine the Chicago Bulls deciding to shut down MJ for the playoffs to make sure he isn't worn out for the following seasons. Seriously, in what sport other than baseball does a team's franchise player shut down during the most critical run of the season which is the postseason?
Posted on 10/13/12 at 9:44 am to sms151t
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I commend the Nats for sticking with what they said they would do all year long, including spring training.
So if someone says they are going to do something unbelievably moronic you commend them if they follow through with it?
Posted on 10/13/12 at 9:50 am to Govt Tide
The worst part about this whole thread is the myth that Strasburg is an ace right now. I don't know how anyone could watch that series and say that Strasburg would have pushed them over the top given the way he was pitching.
Posted on 10/13/12 at 9:54 am to floridatigah
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given the way he was pitching.
If you're talking about his last couple of starts I would say anybody pitch badly in the situation he was in
Posted on 10/13/12 at 10:01 am to VerlanderBEAST
That was one start. His performance was up and down in the 2nd half. He was their 4th best pitcher in the 2nd half of the season and he doesn't go deep into games. Not seeing where he swings this series when his replacement pitched better than Gio and Zimmerman.
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