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re: This choke has NOTHING to do with Strasburg
Posted on 10/12/12 at 11:35 pm to LSUsmartass
Posted on 10/12/12 at 11:35 pm to LSUsmartass
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Maybe not a lock, but the nats left themselves open for this debate
Well yeah unless they won the WS of course people would second guess the front office.
That alone Doesn't make the decision wrong though
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Posted on 10/12/12 at 11:38 pm to jacks40
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That alone Doesn't make the decision wrong though
lol, what? You left your best arm on the bench for no other reason then being cautious
The only person on earth who agreed with it is the GM
This post was edited on 10/12/12 at 11:43 pm
Posted on 10/12/12 at 11:39 pm to Bench McElroy
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Strasburg easily could have done the same in a game like this.
Or he could have given them a game like his last 3 starts
Posted on 10/12/12 at 11:42 pm to jacks40
The Strasberg situation is what's making pro sports worse now than it was 20 years ago, much less the earlier periods. I understand why. Lots of money on the line. But what the hell do you play the games for? Obviously the money these days. Not championships.
Posted on 10/12/12 at 11:42 pm to LSUsmartass
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lol, what?
Exactly what I said. Just bc people would 2nd guess the decision didn't make it wrong.
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left your best arm on the bench for no other reason then being cautious
It was caution based on research, medical history and future planning. It's not like the decision was made only a hunch.
Posted on 10/12/12 at 11:42 pm to reedus23
I'm just glad we didn't have to face him 2 times in the series. Entire series would have been different.
Posted on 10/12/12 at 11:44 pm to jacks40
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It was caution based on research, medical history and future planning. It's not like the decision was made only a hunch.
It was stupid planning on their part, see Medlen
Posted on 10/12/12 at 11:45 pm to lsutigers1992
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This choke has NOTHING to do with Strasburg
Posted on 10/12/12 at 11:45 pm to reedus23
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The Strasberg situation is what's making pro sports worse now than it was 20 years ago, much less the earlier periods. I understand why. Lots of money on the line. But what the hell do you play the games for? Obviously the money these days. Not championships.
Ridiculous statement.
For a pitcher of his quality, Strasburg is making peanuts.
If it was money that was the main point they would ride him into the ground. Right or wrong the Nats obviously want to win long-term, rather than risk blowing out this guys arm in the playoffs with a less than stellar run support
Posted on 10/12/12 at 11:46 pm to LSUsmartass
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It was stupid planning on their part, see Medlen
Hindsight is 20/20
Posted on 10/12/12 at 11:48 pm to lsutigers1992
I'm not saying Strasburg wouldn't have made a difference, but Carp went head to head with Halladay last year in game 5 and won 1-0. You just never know. I didn't think the Cards had a chance in that game.
Posted on 10/12/12 at 11:49 pm to jacks40
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Hindsight is 20/20
Hindsight?
They built their staff and lineup for a playoff push, you don't think they could have planned a little better to have their Ace for the playoffs rather then shutting him down for the last month and into October?
Posted on 10/12/12 at 11:49 pm to jacks40
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Hindsight is 20/20
Hindsight? There was nothing written in stone that they had to shut down Strasburg.
It was painfully obvious he strongly opposed the shutdown.
They were a good enough team to win the World Series, and they knew this a long time before the shut down Strasburg, there's no hindsight in this situation.
Posted on 10/12/12 at 11:51 pm to DrSteveBrule
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It was painfully obvious he strongly opposed the shutdown.
As was the manager and most of the organization, I have no idea why this guy is knighting for the GM
Posted on 10/12/12 at 11:51 pm to jacks40
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For a pitcher of his quality, Strasburg is making peanuts.
If it was money that was the main point they would ride him into the ground. Right or wrong the Nats obviously want to win long-term, rather than risk blowing out this guys arm in the playoffs with a less than stellar run support
You think when they pay him they will be losing money on the deal? No
He is right, if it was about winning stras would be playing
It's about money. Keeping their cash cow healthy for years to come to keep the jersey sales up and the attendance up
It's not about winning, because if it were they would have taken this chance now. It's about not losing the superstar Because the front office knows they can stay very profitable and respectable and keep their jobs without actually selling out for the title
Posted on 10/12/12 at 11:51 pm to DrSteveBrule
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Hindsight? There was nothing written in stone that they had to shut down Strasburg.
Hindsight in how they planned to limit his innings. Not the decision to shut him down or not.
Posted on 10/12/12 at 11:53 pm to Bench McElroy
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You could also make the case that the Nationals might not have even needed to use their bullpen with Strasburg on the mound. Just look at the way Sabathia and Verlander went the distance in their teams' deciding games. Strasburg easily could have done the same in a game like this.
Really? A guy that doesn't typically go deep into games is going to breeze through the Cardinals lineup? Strasburg isn't in the same category as those guys yet, especially down the stretch this season. The guy that replaced him had the best start of the series anyway.
Posted on 10/12/12 at 11:55 pm to KBeezy
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It's not about winning, because if it were they would have taken this chance now
It's about winning long-term which is what GMs get paid to plan for.
Fans piss and moan about winning now, but 2 years after winning a title if your team isnt winning again your arse gets right back on the hot seat
Posted on 10/12/12 at 11:56 pm to jacks40
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Hindsight in how they planned to limit his innings. Not the decision to shut him down or not.
Explain this...because starting him at the beginning of the season and placing a limit on him means no playoffs(if they make it)...that's pretty cut and dry.
You bring in Gio, sign Werth and a few other pieces along with the young guns you already have you'd have to think they were shooting for the playoffs so why not work it to where you know you have him around for October
This post was edited on 10/12/12 at 11:59 pm
Posted on 10/13/12 at 12:00 am to KBeezy
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It's about money. Keeping their cash cow healthy for years to come to keep the jersey sales up and the attendance up
It's not about winning, because if it were they would have taken this chance now. It's about not losing the superstar Because the front office knows they can stay very profitable and respectable and keep their jobs without actually selling out for the title
I agree with the point you're trying to make, but keep in mind a few seasons without making the playoffs or advancing past the first round and it doesn't matter what stud you have on the field...fans will stop coming
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