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re: Rob Manfred wants four team divisions, interested in expanding to 32 MLB teams
Posted on 3/3/16 at 1:16 am to BayouBengals03
Posted on 3/3/16 at 1:16 am to BayouBengals03
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Posted on 3/3/16 at 2:06 am to Bench McElroy
Bring back the Expos, give Mexico a franchise for everyone to root against, and relocate the Rays to a city/stadium that isn't complete arse.
As much as I'd love for New Orleans to get a MLB team, there is just no way it'd work out. Plus I'd feel like a traitor when they'd play the Astros.
Ooooo or go historic and bring back the Louisville Colonels or Grays
As much as I'd love for New Orleans to get a MLB team, there is just no way it'd work out. Plus I'd feel like a traitor when they'd play the Astros.
Ooooo or go historic and bring back the Louisville Colonels or Grays
Posted on 3/3/16 at 2:32 am to Harry Caray
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Bring back the Expos
Oh please yes. Hell just put a team in Montreal I could care less what it is named. Would be the first time since the expos got killed I could watch baseball while actually being a fan of a team.
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give Mexico a franchise for everyone to root against, and relocate the Rays to a city/stadium that isn't complete arse.
Sure give Mexico a team. Also I feel the Rays would do good to move to somewhere like Puerto Rico. Or move them to Montreal and expand a new team into Puerto Rico.
Posted on 3/3/16 at 6:17 am to The7Sins
I completely disagree about bringing back the Montreal Expos. If they decide to go international, San Juan and Mexico City would be a far better choice. They absolutely love baseball in that part of the world. Just think about how many Puerto Ricans are in MLB? Expanding into Latin America is the way to go. Stay out of another cold weather city that doesn't really care about baseball.
Posted on 3/3/16 at 6:53 am to Buckeye Backer
Montreal just needs a new stadium. They just had a ST game there and it was absolutely packed. IMO, if it were expanded, Montreal is probably already a given.
So they'll just need to find one more spot. I don't mind the Mexico City idea at all. Not sure how American players would like that, but nonetheless.
So they'll just need to find one more spot. I don't mind the Mexico City idea at all. Not sure how American players would like that, but nonetheless.
Posted on 3/3/16 at 6:54 am to tduecen
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If an industry is “dying” it would show in the ledger. Last season MLB saw gross revenues of over $8 billion, and the expectation is it will reach $10 billion within a year or two. The reason for this goes back to attendance, and television. At the local level, teams are individually seeing lucrative broadcast deals, while the league sees national broadcast revenue from ESPN, TBS, and FOX at $1.5 billion annually. On top of that, MLB’s digital media company MLB Advanced Media expects to see revenues hit $1 billion annually in the very near future (see The Biggest Media Company You’ve Never Heard Of). That means MLB could soon catch the National Football League (it’s possible, but the NFL is attempting to target $25 billion by 2027), who saw approx. $10 billion in gross revenues last season. MLB is still far ahead of the NBA, who saw $5 billion in revenues for 2013, and light years ahead of the NHL who reportedly had record revenues of $3.7 billion.
Don’t be stupid, “dying sports” don’t earn that kind of revenue.
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13SaintTiger
*crickets*
This post was edited on 3/3/16 at 6:55 am
Posted on 3/3/16 at 7:06 am to Rouge
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Still won't expand to NOLA
No, but I am thinking about getting up off my OT balla $$$ and buying a franchise to put in BR. I had a site picked out for a stadium but the parish said it is reserved for a loop.
Posted on 3/3/16 at 7:25 am to Bench McElroy
I like it in theory. It shortens your division so you only play three other teams seemingly every other week instead of the same five. They get you better coverage with other teams. Then it'll allow for some byes in the playoffs,which they should have now instead of the stupid one game playoff
Posted on 3/3/16 at 7:27 am to Prominentwon
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I don't mind the Mexico City idea at all. Not sure how American players would like that, but nonetheless.
I think a franchise in Mexico City would be hamstrung when it came to trying to sign any players that weren't Latin American. Good thing is, they could field an all-star team of Latin American players.
I think San Antonio would likely work better, although I'm sure the Astros and Rangers would fight that.
Montreal, San Antonio, Louisville, Nashville, Charlotte, San Juan... plenty of solid expansion choices. Maybe even places like Memphis, Columbus, Indianapolis, or Oklahoma City.
Posted on 3/3/16 at 8:05 am to devils1854
Some divisions like the east, north, and western divisions of both leagues are easy to imagine in this scenario. The southern divisions are a bit hairier - a consequence of population growth away from the NE US over the last 100 years is a disruption of those rivalries as new teams move to or are added in the west and south.
The short of it might be some annoyed Braves fans when you look at the options
The short of it might be some annoyed Braves fans when you look at the options
Posted on 3/3/16 at 9:21 am to Buckeye Backer
I used to travel to Montreal almost monthly for work. You wouldn't believe the amount of Expo gear you see people wearing up there. If they got a nice stadium it would be packed.
I don't think people realize how poor Puerto Rico is. Any franchise would have to price themselves like a Single A team to sell out with any regularity.
I also don't see (for those giving division examples) a NL Central that doesn't contain Chicago, Cinci, Pittsburgh, and St. Louis. It would be far worse then breaking up Atl, Phi, and NYM.
I don't think people realize how poor Puerto Rico is. Any franchise would have to price themselves like a Single A team to sell out with any regularity.
I also don't see (for those giving division examples) a NL Central that doesn't contain Chicago, Cinci, Pittsburgh, and St. Louis. It would be far worse then breaking up Atl, Phi, and NYM.
Posted on 3/3/16 at 11:24 am to SEC. 593
Montreal is a given.
Puerto Rico is way too poor to keep attendance up and make money. Plus there would be minimal TV revenue.
Mexico City has money, but how much will the cartels get in on it and ruin things? American players would certainly not want to sign with them. There would be no good schools for their kids and they wouldn't want to be in a completely foreign country (Toronto and Montreal at least speak English) I am not sold on it working.
The other cities to consider would be San Antonio/San Marcos. Lots of growth and money, but Astros and Rangers would shite a brick.
Portland wouldn't be bad, but I question their ability to support baseball.
Nashville isn't ready yet
Charlotte could probably swing it. Baseball is huge in the carolinas, especially South Carolina.
A third nyc team? I don't think Brooklyn could support it.
Vegas would work but would baseball allow it?
Indy seems a bit small.
Nola would never work
I think Montreal is a definite and then it's a battle between Mexico City/San Antonio/Charlotte/Vegas.
Two things that definitely need to happen is tb getting a new stadium and Oakland moving to San Jose.
Puerto Rico is way too poor to keep attendance up and make money. Plus there would be minimal TV revenue.
Mexico City has money, but how much will the cartels get in on it and ruin things? American players would certainly not want to sign with them. There would be no good schools for their kids and they wouldn't want to be in a completely foreign country (Toronto and Montreal at least speak English) I am not sold on it working.
The other cities to consider would be San Antonio/San Marcos. Lots of growth and money, but Astros and Rangers would shite a brick.
Portland wouldn't be bad, but I question their ability to support baseball.
Nashville isn't ready yet
Charlotte could probably swing it. Baseball is huge in the carolinas, especially South Carolina.
A third nyc team? I don't think Brooklyn could support it.
Vegas would work but would baseball allow it?
Indy seems a bit small.
Nola would never work
I think Montreal is a definite and then it's a battle between Mexico City/San Antonio/Charlotte/Vegas.
Two things that definitely need to happen is tb getting a new stadium and Oakland moving to San Jose.
Posted on 3/3/16 at 11:36 am to Moustache
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Montreal is a given. Puerto Rico is way too poor to keep attendance up and make money. Plus there would be minimal TV revenue.
Do you guys even realize why and where Montreal moved to temporarily before they moved to Washington? The Expos played half of their games in 2003 and 2004 in San Juan and sold out every game....every game!!! MLB used San Juan as a test market and would be a serious contender to land a MLB franchise. Montreal is done as a MLB market. MLB is much more intrigued about Latin America than Canada. The World Baseball Classic has been held in Puerto Rico many times. Simply put, Puerto Rico LOVES baseball! Just think about all the current and up and coming MLB players that are from Puerto Rico. If those players all signed with a team in San Juan....that franchise could be a dynasty!!
Hiram Bithorn Stadium
You cant tell me that this stadium doesn't have all kinds of character!! This is such a cool looking stadium.
This post was edited on 3/3/16 at 11:49 am
Posted on 3/3/16 at 11:44 am to TH03
Move the braves back to the nl west like God intended
Posted on 3/3/16 at 11:49 am to Moustache
What if DH is added and we do away with AL/NL and go East/West Conference like NBA and NHL.
Eastern Conference
New Enland Division
New York Yankees
New York Mets
Boston Red Sox
Montreal Expansion Expos
Mid Atlantic
Baltimore O's
Washington Nats
Philadelphia Phillies
Toronto Blue Jays
South
Miami Marlins
Tampa Rays
Atlanta Braves
Charlotte Expansion
Rust Belt
Cincinnati
Pitt Pirates
Cleveland Indians
Detroit Tigers
Western Conf
Coastal/Mountain
Seattle Mariners
SF Giants
Oakland A's
Colorado Rockies
So-Cal/Desert
LA Angels
LA Dodgers
Arizona Dbacks
San Diego Padres
Central
Houston Astros
Texas Rangers
St Louis Cards
Chicago Cubs
Mid-West
Chicago Cubs
Chicago White Sox
Minnesota Twins
Milwaukee Brewers
The New England Division gives a lot of TV market to just one division though. I tried not let divisions overlap geographically if possible but there might need to be slight overlap if you need to split up dual team cities.
Eastern Conference
New Enland Division
New York Yankees
New York Mets
Boston Red Sox
Montreal Expansion Expos
Mid Atlantic
Baltimore O's
Washington Nats
Philadelphia Phillies
Toronto Blue Jays
South
Miami Marlins
Tampa Rays
Atlanta Braves
Charlotte Expansion
Rust Belt
Cincinnati
Pitt Pirates
Cleveland Indians
Detroit Tigers
Western Conf
Coastal/Mountain
Seattle Mariners
SF Giants
Oakland A's
Colorado Rockies
So-Cal/Desert
LA Angels
LA Dodgers
Arizona Dbacks
San Diego Padres
Central
Houston Astros
Texas Rangers
St Louis Cards
Chicago Cubs
Mid-West
Chicago Cubs
Chicago White Sox
Minnesota Twins
Milwaukee Brewers
The New England Division gives a lot of TV market to just one division though. I tried not let divisions overlap geographically if possible but there might need to be slight overlap if you need to split up dual team cities.
Posted on 3/3/16 at 11:55 am to Buckeye Backer
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Mexico City has money, but how much will the cartels get in on it and ruin things? American players would certainly not want to sign with them. There would be no good schools for their kids and they wouldn't want to be in a completely foreign country (Toronto and Montreal at least speak English) I am not sold on it working.
I can't imagine any player for a Mexico City team (unless they are Mexican) would move their family there. Another deterrent.
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Do you guys even realize why and where Montreal moved to temporarily before they moved to Washington? The Expos played half of their games in 2003 and 2004 in San Juan and sold out every game....every game!!!
Okay, 22 games isn't half... it's barely over a quarter of their home games... in an 18,000 seat stadium. I don't know about the ticket prices vs. MLB average. That was definitely a positive result, but it doesn't exactly show that San Juan can support a full-time MLB franchise that could generate enough revenue to be competitive.
Posted on 3/3/16 at 11:57 am to BayouBengal
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What if DH is added and we do away with AL/NL and go East/West Conference like NBA and NHL.
I've been saying this for years. MLB should either make everybody have the DH or do away with it completely. Give me, the consumer, more of a choice. As an Indians fan, I am sick of watching the Indians play Minnesota, Chicago, KC and Detroit. Give me more variety. Give me the opportunity to see more stars from the other league. Id love to see the Cubs, Dodgers, Giants, Cards ect come to Cleveland. Playing 162 games and not playing everyone is the dumbest thing in professional sports.
Posted on 3/3/16 at 11:59 am to LSUBoo
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Okay, 22 games isn't half... it's barely over a quarter of their home games... in an 18,000 seat stadium. I don't know about the ticket prices vs. MLB average. That was definitely a positive result, but it doesn't exactly show that San Juan can support a full-time MLB franchise that could generate enough revenue to be competitive
Okay, but how many teams have 18k a night in 40k seat stadiums every night? Your point is invalid. I'd rather have an 18k stadium jam packed every night than a half empty stadium. There were probably 5-10 teams last year that didn't even average 18k a night....my Cleveland Indians included!!
Posted on 3/3/16 at 12:07 pm to Buckeye Backer
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Okay, but how many teams have 18k a night in 40k seat stadiums every night? Your point is invalid. I'd rather have an 18k stadium jam packed every night than a half empty stadium. There were probably 5-10 teams last year that didn't even average 18k a night....my Cleveland Indians included!!
Only two didn't average 18K/night for their 2015 home games... your Cleveland Indians and Tampa.
No one else was below 21K, and 17/30 were over 30K average attendance. Three teams even broke 40K in average attendance.
And you also have to consider ticket prices, and luxury boxes.
I don't think it's an invalid point at all.
Posted on 3/3/16 at 12:09 pm to Buckeye Backer
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ve been saying this for years. MLB should either make everybody have the DH or do away with it completely. Give me, the consumer, more of a choice. As an Indians fan, I am sick of watching the Indians play Minnesota, Chicago, KC and Detroit. Give me more variety. Give me the opportunity to see more stars from the other league. Id love to see the Cubs, Dodgers, Giants, Cards ect come to Cleveland. Playing 162 games and not playing everyone is the dumbest thing in professional sports.
To play a balanced schedule with 32 teams we'd need a 186 game schedule. This would allow you to play the other 31 teams 6 times (3 home 3 away). This is awful for rivalries.
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