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re: Now that the Steelers have lost the SB
Posted on 2/6/11 at 10:15 pm to BayouBengals03
Posted on 2/6/11 at 10:15 pm to BayouBengals03
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55/91; 60.4 Comp%
642 yards
3 TDs
5 Ints
That are his stats for the 3 Super Bowls.
Obviously he is 2-1.
Along with his decent stats outside of the Super Bowl I would say he is a good active QB. I wouldn't put him anywhere close to Brady, Manning, and Brees. He shouldn't be anywhere near the HOF.
well put
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Big Ben is an elite QB, FWIW.
Not historically, but in the NFL today he is.
I'd go with VERY GOOD qb
I think Manning, Brady, Brees, Rodgers are your only true Elite QBs
Rivers and Ben being the obvious next 2 with Rivers being a better all around qb and Ben being more clutch
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Posted on 2/6/11 at 10:18 pm to St Augustine
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Rivers and Ben being the obvious next 2 with Rivers being a better all around qb and Ben being more clutch
I'd say there is a bigger gap between 6 and 7 then there is between 4 and 5.
So I consider them all elite. To each his own though.
This post was edited on 2/6/11 at 10:24 pm
Posted on 2/6/11 at 10:20 pm to St Augustine
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Still can't take away what he has already done.
What has he done that someone like Brad Johnson couldn't do?
Big Ben reaped the benefits from having a killer defense that bails him out ALL of the time. Only this time, it was all on him for the Steeler's final drive and he couldn't deliver.
Rating qbs based entirely on SB rings is a flawed argument. Jim Kelly was a much better qb and won zero rings while in Buffalo.
Posted on 2/6/11 at 10:22 pm to harry coleman beast
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Like it or not ben is elite in the present nfl i only take 5 guys before him
so that would mean 6 of the 32 teams in the NFL have "elite qbs"
to me elite is not a term that 20% of the league should have
Posted on 2/6/11 at 10:23 pm to BayouBengals03
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So I consider them all elite. To each his own though.
fair enough...
Posted on 2/6/11 at 10:25 pm to St Augustine
Yea i say 6 elite qbs because after that top six there is a major dropoff imo
Posted on 2/6/11 at 10:26 pm to harry coleman beast
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major dropoff imo
This is the main reason I say all are elite.
Posted on 2/6/11 at 10:28 pm to harry coleman beast
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How about getting his team to 3 super bowls
Drew Brees would have killed to have the defenses Ben has had
Posted on 2/6/11 at 10:34 pm to swagsurfin7
Drew brees is a better qb than roethlisberger whats your point
Posted on 2/6/11 at 10:36 pm to harry coleman beast
the point is that if you give him a defense like Ben has had his whole career, then Drew would probably have multiple SB wins
Posted on 2/6/11 at 10:38 pm to swagsurfin7
This thread is about if ben is an elite qb everybody knows brees is elite
Posted on 2/6/11 at 10:38 pm to Kafka
He's only 28 years old, its not like his career is over. He's got plenty of time to win 1 or 2 more Superbowls. If his oline wasn't so banged up, we might have seen a different result in the game anyway.
And he already is elite FWIW. However, now that the game is over, I believe that Aaron Rodgers has shown he should be considered an elite quarterback.
And he already is elite FWIW. However, now that the game is over, I believe that Aaron Rodgers has shown he should be considered an elite quarterback.
Posted on 2/6/11 at 10:41 pm to harry coleman beast
I'm saying he is not bc of his numbers in the playoffs, and the fact that he has the number one defense to bail him out
Posted on 2/6/11 at 10:42 pm to swagsurfin7
How did his defense bail him out today?
Posted on 2/6/11 at 10:43 pm to Cap Crunch
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now that the game is over, I believe that Aaron Rodgers has shown he should be considered an elite quarterback.
He was already elite.
Posted on 2/6/11 at 10:43 pm to swagsurfin7
How'd that number one defense do tonite or against arizona when he bailed the d out?
Posted on 2/6/11 at 10:44 pm to BayouBengals03
I always thought he was good, but I just think he needed a championship to solidify that.
Posted on 2/6/11 at 10:48 pm to HeadCoach
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SEA had to be the one of the worst teams in recent history to make it
They were 13-3
Posted on 2/6/11 at 10:57 pm to harry coleman beast
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How'd that number one defense do tonite or against arizona when he bailed the d out?
hence why they lost. the clutch qb sucked it up when it was all on the line.
and if you want to see what his D did against AZ watch the last play of the first half. if not for that fluke play they lose that game
Posted on 2/6/11 at 11:04 pm to harry coleman beast
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Matt schaub woulda scored on that last drive :gamecockalum:
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