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re: Mayweather: Nobody can brainwash me to think Robinson and Ali are better than me
Posted on 4/21/15 at 11:37 pm to Bench McElroy
Posted on 4/21/15 at 11:37 pm to Bench McElroy
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When asked if he truly believed he was better than Ali, Mayweather recalled the heavyweight losing his world titles to Leon Spinks in 1978.
Leon Spinks only had seven fights,' he said. 'Never put a fighter in there with Floyd Mayweather with seven fights.'
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Posted on 4/22/15 at 12:02 am to tduecen
Seems like this fight came up fast.
I'm used to the UFC where they announce fights like 6 months out.
I'm used to the UFC where they announce fights like 6 months out.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 8:24 am to PrimeTime Money
it's hard for me to fully respect a fighter that runs for 12 rounds. it's a "fight" not a track meet
and, his criticism of Ali is a joke. lets see how he adjusts his game in his older years as his speed and reflexes leave him. Ali used his smarts to beat a guy that should have killed him.
and to think he's better than Robinson, bitch please
and, his criticism of Ali is a joke. lets see how he adjusts his game in his older years as his speed and reflexes leave him. Ali used his smarts to beat a guy that should have killed him.
and to think he's better than Robinson, bitch please
Posted on 4/22/15 at 9:00 am to boom roasted
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I wouldn't expect any great fighter to say anything different.
This.
When Sugar Ray Leonard was on First Take a couple weeks back, he said fighters know whether they are going to win or lose before the fight. If they look in the mirror and have an ounce of doubt in their mind, they're going down.
That being said, if Mayweather were to "get in the ring" with either of these guys, he must have the mindset he's better than whoever is in the corner.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 9:02 am to hoopsgalore
Roy Jones Jr is the greatest fighter I've ever witnessed.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 9:15 am to Bench McElroy
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'Are you going to tell me its cool to lay on the ropes and take punishment and let a man tire himself out from beating you,
WTF? It's like he didn't watch the fight or something. You'd think a defensive specialist would have loved that fight.
Foreman threw piles of punches and about the only real damage he did was to Ali's elbows. He missed with a vengeance. Meanwhile, in every round, Ali snuck some real blows on.
And, finally, Ali took him down. The method was different, but in effect, it's what ALL defensive specialists do. He frustrated his opponent and the opponent spent a lot of energy being ineffective.
I mean hell, doesn't good old Mayweather realize that's an element of how he beats people?
Posted on 4/22/15 at 9:34 am to ShortyRob
Here's the thing. I'm not one of those older guys who always runs around saying the guys in my day were better than the guys today.
Nope. In virtually every sport, that's just not true.
BUT, boxing is a fading sport. In the days of Robinson and even Ali, if you were a great athlete, there was a good chance you boxed. You weren't going to get rich playing in the NFL, NBA or anything else. Ali was born in 1942. During his formative years, there wasn't any money in those other sports. Had Ali and Foreman been born in 1980, it's highly unlikely either would have ever boxed.
That's why today's heavyweight division is a complete joke. But, even at the lighter weights, there's truth to it. Guys who are exceptional athlete just have MANY more options. Hell, no one ever even got a scholly for boxing.
So, to me, boxing is a glaring exception to the reality that for the most part, today's athletes are better. When I look at boxing, I see a sport where 90% of the guy who would have been great boxers 50 years ago are playing another sport.
Nope. In virtually every sport, that's just not true.
BUT, boxing is a fading sport. In the days of Robinson and even Ali, if you were a great athlete, there was a good chance you boxed. You weren't going to get rich playing in the NFL, NBA or anything else. Ali was born in 1942. During his formative years, there wasn't any money in those other sports. Had Ali and Foreman been born in 1980, it's highly unlikely either would have ever boxed.
That's why today's heavyweight division is a complete joke. But, even at the lighter weights, there's truth to it. Guys who are exceptional athlete just have MANY more options. Hell, no one ever even got a scholly for boxing.
So, to me, boxing is a glaring exception to the reality that for the most part, today's athletes are better. When I look at boxing, I see a sport where 90% of the guy who would have been great boxers 50 years ago are playing another sport.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 9:34 am to bamarep
I just like that he mentioned Sugar Ray Robinson first. Because Robinson would have destroyed Maywether in his prime. He's probably the greatest fighter ever, and he did it in a much stronger era of boxing.
Ali had better PR. though.
Ali had better PR. though.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 9:56 am to Baloo
I think that Mayweather is a step below these fighters, in the semi modern era
Julio Cesar Chavez
Larry Holmes
Tommy Hearnes
Marvelous Marvin Hagler
Muhammad Ali
Aaron Pryor
Roy Jones, Jr
Ray Leonard (although I think Leonard is a fraud)
Teo Stephenson (possibly the most gifted Heavyweight of all time)
Julio Cesar Chavez
Larry Holmes
Tommy Hearnes
Marvelous Marvin Hagler
Muhammad Ali
Aaron Pryor
Roy Jones, Jr
Ray Leonard (although I think Leonard is a fraud)
Teo Stephenson (possibly the most gifted Heavyweight of all time)
Posted on 4/22/15 at 10:02 am to PrimeTime Money
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How do you know?
Nobody really knows, but if you look at the numbers in context it seems like a no-brainer. Sugar Ray Robinson at his peak was 128-1-2 with 84 KOs. He KO'd hall of famers in their prime on multiple occasions. Money is an all time great defensive fighter, but he has hand picked his opponents at optimum points for him. Robinson never had that luxury and still destroyed the competition and put up ridiculous numbers.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 10:07 am to tigerpimpbot
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Sugar Ray Robinson at his peak was 128-1-2
In an era when just about every kid with a lick of athletic ability spent time in the ring.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 10:20 am to ShortyRob
Because of his recent losses, Roy doesn't get near the respect he deserves. He shouldn't have moved up to fight Ruiz but since he did, he should have stopped after that.
Truly gifted elite talent. Bhop is also vastly under rated.
Truly gifted elite talent. Bhop is also vastly under rated.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 11:28 am to Bench McElroy
Mike Tyson would have beat the shite out mayweather and that's all that matters. Who cares about the Ali comparison.
If Tyson was at a lower weight he would have had the fastest hands ever.
If Tyson was at a lower weight he would have had the fastest hands ever.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 11:29 am to jeff5891
I don't really think statements like this are offensive or uninformed. I just find them to be really really boring.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 11:57 am to bamarep
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it's hard for me to fully respect a fighter that runs for 12 rounds. it's a "fight" not a track meet
Good lord.
Yeah he's running his way to career earnings of nearly half a billion dollars. You don't have a clue.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 12:25 pm to PrimeTime Money
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All great points. People forget the flaws of the "legends". And the things they did well are seen as even greater as time goes by.
You are just mad people think basketball players are better from the 80s and 90s, and want to change sports
Posted on 4/22/15 at 12:32 pm to Goldrush25
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At some point the weight becomes too much to overcome no matter the skill level of fighters involved.
Tell that to all the idiots that think Rousey would beat a full grown athletic man in 10 secs.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 2:15 pm to FightinTigersDammit
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And didn't duck anyone. Ali fought Frazier three times. Sugar Ray fought LaMotta FIVE times.
Well Robinson did 'duck' a fighter Eddie Futch thought was perhaps the greatest he had ever seen; Charley Burley. He also walked away from a fight with another Black murderers row fighter, Kid Cocoa
Burley like several other Black murderers row Boxers never got an opportunity at the belt.
Robinson only got a shot fortunately when he was 26 or 27 years old. Still tough for quality Black fighters like Burley( top 5 or 10 ranked middleweight/welterweight) to get a shot then.
Burley a middleweight even beat LHW Archie Moore & fought HW Ezzard Charles in 2 close loses.
This post was edited on 4/22/15 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 4/22/15 at 2:47 pm to ShortyRob
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In an era when just about every kid with a lick of athletic ability spent time in the ring.
In an era where it was almost impossible for many fighters especially Black to get a shot at the title & people like Robinson (finally got a shot at 27), Zale, Armstrong & others ducked Charley Burley
He had to settle for the "Colored Middleweight Champion" belt & fighting up against Archie Moore (whom he amazingly beat ) & HW Ezzard Charles a couple times.
"Ducking" isn't a modern phenomenon & I think we are looking at that era with a bit of rose tinted nostalgia.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 2:49 pm to Bench McElroy
Two jobs where it's ridiculous to laugh at athletes for being overconfident. Boxer and NFL cornerback.
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