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re: Mayweather: Nobody can brainwash me to think Robinson and Ali are better than me
Posted on 4/21/15 at 7:00 pm to Fun Bunch
Posted on 4/21/15 at 7:00 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:
Anyone that thinks Mayweather is the greatest of all time is a lunatic
Ok where would you place him on this list-
Ring Mag did a poll ten years ago of boxing experts-
The top 25 Pound for Pound
1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Joe Louis
4. Muhammad Ali
5. Roberto Duran
6. Willie Pep
7. Harry Greb
8. Benny Leonard
9. Sugar Ray Leonard
10. Pernell Whitaker
11. Rocky Marciano
12. Ezzard Charles
13. Archie Moore
14. Carlos Monzon
15. Sandy Saddler
16. Jack Dempsey
17. Marvin Hagler
18. Julio Cesar Chavez
19. Eder Jofre
20. Alexis Arguello
21. Evander Holyfield
22. Barney Ross
23. Ike Williams
24. Salvador Sanchez
25. George Foreman
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Posted on 4/21/15 at 7:13 pm to Bench McElroy
I agree with him. Ali and Robinson are mere human beings. But over time, people mythologize these people to the point where they don't seem like mortals. They put them on pedestals.
People do it with every sport. And Mayweather is right... it's brainwashing.
People do it with every sport. And Mayweather is right... it's brainwashing.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 7:16 pm to PrimeTime Money
quote:
I agree with him. Ali and Robinson are mere human beings. But over time, people mythologize these people to the point where they don't seem like mortals. They put them on pedestals.
People do it with every sport. And Mayweather is right... it's brainwashing.
Well said.
And since we know so much about Mayweather we're much more aware of his flaws. People are less inclined to think of an athlete as a great when he's done something deplorable in his personal life as Mayweather has.
I think if athletes of the past had the microscopes on their lives the way athletes do today we wouldn't think of them as fondly as we do.
This post was edited on 4/21/15 at 7:21 pm
Posted on 4/21/15 at 7:21 pm to Bench McElroy
quote:
Mayweather: Nobody can brainwash me to think Robinson and Ali are better than me
i wonder how hard it is to brainwash someone who can't read.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 7:22 pm to Goldrush25
quote:All great points. People forget the flaws of the "legends". And the things they did well are seen as even greater as time goes by.
And since we know so much about Mayweather we're much more aware of his flaws. People are less inclined to think of an athlete as a great when he's done something deplorable as Mayweather has. I think if athletes of the past had the microscopes on their lives the way athletes do today we wouldn't think of them as fondly as we do.
This post was edited on 4/21/15 at 7:23 pm
Posted on 4/21/15 at 7:22 pm to TigerintheNO
#15
Posted on 4/21/15 at 7:24 pm to PrimeTime Money
quote:
I agree with him. Ali and Robinson are mere human beings. But over time, people mythologize these people to the point where they don't seem like mortals. They put them on pedestals.
Robinson is a better pound for pound fighter than Floyd, mythical pedestal or not.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 7:31 pm to tigerpimpbot
quote:
Robinson is a better pound for pound fighter than Floyd, mythical pedestal or not.
This
And it's not even a discussion
Posted on 4/21/15 at 7:32 pm to tigerpimpbot
I feel like Floyd has never really fought someone who can beat him. A small portion of that is because he is really talented but the majority of it is the way he careful selects opponents to ensure he wins.
He fights up and comers with "records" or elite fighters who were either over the hill like De La Hoya or Pacquio, or makes someone balloon up to fight him. His best wins were against middle of the road guys like Zab Judah and Ricky Hatton. When Floyd got in his prime, his opponets got out of there's.
I also will go to my grave believing De La Hoya beat him.
He fights up and comers with "records" or elite fighters who were either over the hill like De La Hoya or Pacquio, or makes someone balloon up to fight him. His best wins were against middle of the road guys like Zab Judah and Ricky Hatton. When Floyd got in his prime, his opponets got out of there's.
I also will go to my grave believing De La Hoya beat him.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 7:34 pm to tigerpimpbot
How do you know?
Posted on 4/21/15 at 8:03 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
quote:
Muhammad Ali is one of the most overrated athletes in the history of any sport ever.
How exactly? Name a fighter that has a better resume than beating Liston twice, Frazier twice, Norton twice, and Foreman.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 8:12 pm to WITNESS23
quote:
Because Smokin Joe was better. Ali tried to quit in Manila but Joe's corner called the fight.
Frazier>Ali
Jesus.
If Ali had fought Frazier in 1968, he would have won every round.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 8:14 pm to TigerintheNO
quote:
Ok where would you place him on this list-
Ring Mag did a poll ten years ago of boxing experts-
The top 25 Pound for Pound
1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Joe Louis
4. Muhammad Ali
5. Roberto Duran
6. Willie Pep
7. Harry Greb
8. Benny Leonard
9. Sugar Ray Leonard
10. Pernell Whitaker
11. Rocky Marciano
12. Ezzard Charles
13. Archie Moore
14. Carlos Monzon
15. Sandy Saddler
16. Jack Dempsey
17. Marvin Hagler
18. Julio Cesar Chavez
19. Eder Jofre
20. Alexis Arguello
21. Evander Holyfield
22. Barney Ross
23. Ike Williams
24. Salvador Sanchez
25. George Foreman
He's top 5.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 8:15 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
quote:
Muhammad Ali is one of the most overrated athletes in the history of any sport ever.
Not the young version.
This post was edited on 4/21/15 at 11:29 pm
Posted on 4/21/15 at 8:15 pm to Kracka
quote:
I would say that Ali and Robinson probably faced better competition
And didn't duck anyone. Ali fought Frazier three times. Sugar Ray fought LaMotta FIVE times.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 8:49 pm to Bench McElroy
He has also said, on multiple occasions, that he admires and has the utmost respect for boxing's historical greats, like Robinson and Ali. Mayweather acknowledges them as having laid the groundwork for the success he enjoys today.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 9:03 pm to FightinTigersDammit
quote:
Sugar Ray fought LaMotta FIVE times.
And to add to that:
Kid Gavilan
Randy Turpin
Henry Armstrong
Gene Fullmer
And he was only two rounds from beating Joey Maxim for the light heavyweight title before having to quit on his stool from heat exhaustion.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 9:26 pm to TigerintheNO
Fight is 11 days away and the contract hasn't been signed?
Posted on 4/21/15 at 9:32 pm to tduecen
Yup 
Posted on 4/21/15 at 11:25 pm to tduecen
quote:
Fight is 11 days away and the contract hasn't been signed?
Why not?
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