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re: Last Week Tonight With John Oliver hammered the NCAA
Posted on 3/16/15 at 9:44 am to alajones
Posted on 3/16/15 at 9:44 am to alajones
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Other than the tens of thousands of dollars in free tuition, room and board, clothing and gifts?
That is a deflection.
They get those things for playing for the university.
Then, an equipment manager goes into the locker room, gathers up the jerseys and then sales them to fans. However, if the same kid signs an autograph for a couple of bucks, he is suspended or worse.
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Posted on 3/16/15 at 9:46 am to RandySavage
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8 min. in. Funny guy but his points so far have been terrible and Shabazz Napier and Richard Sherman go gtfo with their bs.
I agree with you regarding Napier but what did Sherman say that was untrue or unreasonable.
Do you disagree that it is hard balancing athletics in college?
Posted on 3/16/15 at 9:52 am to bigpetedatiga
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Does it really matter?
when the segment is claiming poverty, yes
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but the NCAA is a billion dollar industry, lets not act like they are struggling to stay a float.
individual schools are struggling to stay afloat
almost every AD is subsidized by their respective university's general fund. i think 5 or fewer departments are not (out of hundreds)
there are only 2 revenue sports, and in most cases, they are not revenue sports. the rest are purely in the red (outside of a handful of outliers)
Posted on 3/16/15 at 9:56 am to corndeaux
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Do we really think that coaches should be making $3M a year,
the vast majority of those salaries are not paid by the school and are paid by individual donors via organizations like TAF
you can't use that in an argument about the NCAA. LSU pays les miles, for instance, something like $400k. the rest is funded via private donors
so for this discussion, you can only use the salary paid by teh school/athletic department
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The NCAA problem is they have two distinct member groups in CFB and MBB- one that is basically a pro training league, the other that somewhat resembles the student/athlete model they try to peddle. That they expect these groups to compete and play by the same rules is ludicrous.
well the "student/athlete" schools sure don't mind using march madness money to pay for their entire athletic departments, now do they?
separate the 2 and they lose that money and then then have to scale back all their athletics. that means fewer scholarships for athletes (mostly non-revenue sports entirely subsidized by revenue sports). who loses? those kids
Posted on 3/16/15 at 10:02 am to bigpetedatiga
And that student manager is prosecuted. If it is a EMC he is fired and barred from the AEMA.
This post was edited on 3/16/15 at 10:03 am
Posted on 3/16/15 at 10:03 am to SlowFlowPro
We have heard about struggling universities for years. But the math doesn't add up. College athletics bring in billions and that is before contributions. There is a huge. chunk of missing revenue. I'm against paying players but that argument about not enough money doesn't really hold any water..
Posted on 3/16/15 at 10:17 am to RandySavage
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8 min. in. Funny guy but his points so far have been terrible and Shabazz Napier and Richard Sherman go gtfo with their bs.
Sherman's remarks came off as being immensely ignorant. For the number of college students who have the sole responsibility of attending class and maintaining good grades, I can understand how his argument holds weight.
However, I, along with a number of other individuals I have known over the years, have had to work anywhere from 20-30 hours while maintaining full-time status as a student. When you add up practice time, meetings, and workouts, these numbers are somewhat comparable.
I also worked out for a couple of hours multiple days a week. Granted, that was my personal choice and in no way factored into my success as a student, but I learned how to adequately balance my allotted time in a given day.
I cooked my own food and I would wake up early in the morning to get a run in or to hit the gym. My social life might have suffered when juxtaposed to other college-aged individuals, but it's all about determining what are your priorities in life.
Yes, I might have been financially compensated for working, but I also didn't have the luxury of receiving free meals, free clothing apparel, and free housing from my university (as is the case for a student-athlete).
Posted on 3/16/15 at 10:17 am to SlowFlowPro
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you can cherry pick a few SJWs and disgruntled former players
yes, people who recognize that players are clearly getting fricked are SJWs
This post was edited on 3/16/15 at 10:18 am
Posted on 3/16/15 at 10:19 am to SlowFlowPro
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who loses? those kids
I'd love to see a breakdown of AD budgets and where the money is spent. You should also include the fact that they are non profits and can't sit on any $.
And of course all the schools want the $$. Smaller schools want the money, but want to complain about everything else. There is a way to fund all sports and keep those sports afloat. There is a model in D3. I bet someone could tweak it and still cover scholarships at the smaller schools
The problem with the entire NCAA is that people at every school have to give money back if they want to continue this system. No one anywhere is inclined to do that.
Posted on 3/16/15 at 10:20 am to sms151t
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And that student manager is prosecuted.
Sorry, I meant to say that an equipement manager goes and gets them so the university can sell them.
My mistake.
Posted on 3/16/15 at 10:21 am to saint amant steve
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Sherman's remarks came off as being immensely ignorant. For the number of college students who have the sole responsibility of attending class and maintaining good grades, I can understand how his argument holds weight.
However, I, along with a number of other individuals I have known over the years, have had to work anywhere from 20-30 hours while maintaining full-time status as a student. When you add up practice time, meetings, and workouts, these numbers are somewhat comparable.
I also worked out for a couple of hours multiple days a week. Granted, that was my personal choice and in no way factored into my success as a student, but I learned how to adequately balance my allotted time in a given day.
I cooked my own food and I would wake up early in the morning to get a run in or to hit the gym. My social life might have suffered when juxtaposed to other college-aged individuals, but it's all about determining what are your priorities in life.
Yes, I might have been financially compensated for working, but I also didn't have the luxury of receiving free meals, free clothing apparel, and free housing from my university (as is the case for a student-athlete).
I mean, I get what you are saying, but I still disagree.
My last year in school, I was working three jobs, carrying a full school schedule plus winter session and I would say that the athletes I knew probably still had it harder.
Posted on 3/16/15 at 10:24 am to bigpetedatiga
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I use to feel this way, but I find myself leaning more toward the athletes now.
Mostly because their jerseys are sold, the autographs are sold, their likeness is used in games, but they are not allowed to receive a single dollar.
That is kind of bullshite.
You know what else is kind of bullshite, the fact that these individuals are granted admission to some of the best universities in the country despite having sub-par standardized test scores or grade point averages.
People need to stop acting like the poor, little student-athletes aren't receiving a number of benefits due, in large part, to God-given ability and superior genetics. These individuals aren't held to the same scholastic standards as their peers and are taken care of in a number of ways that most people could not even imagine.
Posted on 3/16/15 at 10:29 am to saint amant steve
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You know what else is kind of bullshite, the fact that these individuals are granted admission to some of the best universities in the country despite having sub-par standardized test scores or grade point averages.
Some but not all.
People just like to assume that athletes are stupid, many of them realize they will not be going pro and take school very seriously.
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People need to stop acting like the poor, little student-athletes aren't receiving a number of benefits due, in large part, to God-given ability and superior genetics. These individuals aren't held to the same scholastic standards as their peers and are taken care of in a number of ways that most people could not even imagine.
This seems like a very angry post full of inaccuracies.
Posted on 3/16/15 at 10:30 am to bigpetedatiga
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However, the UConn kid still makes me roll my eyes. If he goes to bed hungry, it's probably his fault.
My biggest question amid all these cries of financial inequality and a lack of financial compensation for student-athletes is this...where the hell are the parents and why are they not held accountable?
If lil' Johnny is going to bed hungry, then why doesn't mom or dad send him a few bucks each month so that he can purchase food?! Are we again failing to acknowledge a cultural issue due to political correctness?
Every college student I have known, rich, middle-class, and poor, has received SOME means of financial assistance from their parents or family (e.g. money towards meal plan, groceries, rent, books, tuition, fees, medical insurance, etc.). Why is it the university's responsibility to solely bear the burden of looking after these student-athletes? Why the hell are their parents not held accountable for assisting in some capacity or another?
Posted on 3/16/15 at 10:31 am to SlowFlowPro
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vast majority of those salaries are not paid by the school and are paid by individual donors via organizations like TAF
you can't use that in an argument about the NCAA. LSU pays les miles, for instance, something like $400k. the rest is funded via private donors
Also, why can't private donors help pay for athlete salaries? If they can do it for coaches, what is the argument against players receiving the same benefits other than an arbitrary amateur label?
Posted on 3/16/15 at 10:33 am to saint amant steve
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However, I, along with a number of other individuals I have known over the years, have had to work anywhere from 20-30 hours while maintaining full-time status as a student.
I did not. My parents put me through The University of Alabama and I suspect there are many more that were/are just like me.
All I had to do was show up for class and get decent grades.
Posted on 3/16/15 at 10:35 am to saint amant steve
I guess the Pell grant that the kids got is just forgotten. All of our student athletes at SMS got Pell grants, except for the very select who were way above the income line.
So that is free 3000 per semester. Now they may have to buy some books, as books are not completely covered in the scholly, but still it is still a bunch of money that is free to them.
So that is free 3000 per semester. Now they may have to buy some books, as books are not completely covered in the scholly, but still it is still a bunch of money that is free to them.
This post was edited on 3/16/15 at 10:36 am
Posted on 3/16/15 at 10:36 am to bigpetedatiga
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Some but not all.
People just like to assume that athletes are stupid, many of them realize they will not be going pro and take school very seriously.
At what point did I imply that all student-athletes are unintelligent? I admittedly might have just generalized all student-athletes, but you can't deny the fact that time and time again there are student-athletes at major public universities who arrive to college unprepared for the academic demands of a post-secondary education. Most of this is due to the lower academic standards by which they are held to as early as high school.
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This seems like a very angry post full of inaccuracies.
Really? So you don't believe that being a student-athlete comes with its fair share of social and economic benefits (off the books of course)?
Posted on 3/16/15 at 10:40 am to Dr RC
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yes, people who recognize that players are clearly getting fricked are SJWs
why didn't they get a gymnast from valdosta state or a swimmer from texas state to speak on the issue? do you think those kids feel they're "getting fricked"?
Posted on 3/16/15 at 10:41 am to saint amant steve
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You know what else is kind of bullshite, the fact that these individuals are granted admission to some of the best universities in the country despite having sub-par standardized test scores or grade point averages.
like richard sherman
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