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re: Last Week Tonight With John Oliver hammered the NCAA
Posted on 3/16/15 at 1:53 pm to Freauxzen
Posted on 3/16/15 at 1:53 pm to Freauxzen
How is it that the schools can employ students at the Union and bookstore and pay them but they can't do the same for football players? Why don't they lose their amateur status?
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Posted on 3/16/15 at 1:58 pm to molsusports
Say I'm in college at LSU and I'm a really good computer programmer. Google throws offers and perks at me, Microsoft throws all sorts of perks at me....those are opportunities. And as long as I don't play sports for the school I can jump on those? Companies try to recruit top scholars all the time because they're worth more.
Why is it any different if you're an athlete? Isn't college supposed to set us up for financial success?
Why is it any different if you're an athlete? Isn't college supposed to set us up for financial success?
Posted on 3/16/15 at 2:01 pm to Freauxzen
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So the fix to this is to pay players and allow a bigger business to build from individual sales/profits?
its better than steering them into fake degrees.
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Why don't we double down on the the learning part and make sure they come out as well-rounded individuals with a skill set that can grow with them through education, a degree, and career mentoring?
Communism is great in theory too but its never going to work on a mass scale b/c people are greedy.
Since the P5 schools have clearly told the NCAA to frick off I have no idea how you could ever have a body that could enforce such a mission.
This post was edited on 3/16/15 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 3/16/15 at 2:13 pm to molsusports
They wont use Title IX as the first part of that lawsuit. They will use Title VI which is more damaging and stronger.
This post was edited on 3/16/15 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 3/16/15 at 2:25 pm to JG77056
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Say I'm in college at LSU and I'm a really good computer programmer. Google throws offers and perks at me, Microsoft throws all sorts of perks at me....those are opportunities. And as long as I don't play sports for the school I can jump on those? Companies try to recruit top scholars all the time because they're worth more.
Why is it any different if you're an athlete? Isn't college supposed to set us up for financial success?
I don't think there's anything wrong with the athletes making money if that can be done in a reasonable way. Granted they are presently compensated with an education but even if they take advantage of that opportunity the star players (e.g. reggie bush, tim tebow, cam newton, jameis winston, etc) will extract a very small fraction of what the school and the NCAA will make from them.
Does that even out when you consider all of the other athletes who make the school and the NCAA nothing? To some extent, but as the revenues of the schools and the NCAA have risen with television deals etc I think the gap between what the athletes (as a whole group) are compensated with and what the schools and organizations associated with the sports retain is too large to pretend it is a completely fair trade.
So, yeah... I agree with the premise the student athletes who are stars should potentially be able to make more money but there are issues of competitive balance and corruption that I think make it different from your analogy of a Google or Microsoft wanting to pay a promising undergraduate.
Posted on 3/16/15 at 2:33 pm to JG77056
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Say I'm in college at LSU and I'm a really good computer programmer. Google throws offers and perks at me, Microsoft throws all sorts of perks at me....those are opportunities. And as long as I don't play sports for the school I can jump on those? Companies try to recruit top scholars all the time because they're worth more. Why is it any different if you're an athlete? Isn't college supposed to set us up for financial success?
But scholarship athletes can work part time. Why do people think they can not?
But so if an athlete thinks he or she is good enough to earn a living at another place using their skill set they aren't bound to stay.
They do not have to go into college, they can go to Europe and play hoops, they can sit out a year and wait until the NFL drafts them. The NFLPA collectively bargained the entry rule to the NFL. They can go to OHL or Quebec, or ECHL if in hockey, they can go play semi pro if not drafted after High school. Now there is another loophole they have for baseball also, they can transfer down to JUCO and become immediately eligible after the semester.
This post was edited on 3/16/15 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 3/16/15 at 2:40 pm to sms151t
does anyone else on here just not give one flying F what juan oliver says? I hate this guy. he can sometimes be funny, but he is really just an annoying lil brit twit to me.
Posted on 3/16/15 at 2:45 pm to sms151t
If you want to play college athletics, you have to do so under the rules set by the NCAA.
No one forces these players to participate in college athletics. The rules are in place for a reason (to maintain the integrity of the schools and amateur student athletes).
If they want to make a ton of money in the two years before they are eligible for the NFL or NBA, there are plenty of ways to do that that don't involve college football. These players want to have their cake and eat it to.
Honestly, if I am the #1 recruit in the nation coming out of HS, does it even make sense for me to go play college football for 2 years? Why not go train in an academy somewhere for two years and get sponsored by Gatorade and Nike. Otherwise quit complaining.
No one forces these players to participate in college athletics. The rules are in place for a reason (to maintain the integrity of the schools and amateur student athletes).
If they want to make a ton of money in the two years before they are eligible for the NFL or NBA, there are plenty of ways to do that that don't involve college football. These players want to have their cake and eat it to.
Honestly, if I am the #1 recruit in the nation coming out of HS, does it even make sense for me to go play college football for 2 years? Why not go train in an academy somewhere for two years and get sponsored by Gatorade and Nike. Otherwise quit complaining.
This post was edited on 3/16/15 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 3/16/15 at 3:05 pm to hiltacular
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If you want to play college athletics, you have to do so under the rules set by the NCAA.
No one forces these players to participate in college athletics. The rules are in place for a reason (to maintain the integrity of the schools and amateur student athletes).
If they want to make a ton of money in the two years before they are eligible for the NFL or NBA, there are plenty of ways to do that that don't involve college football. These players want to have their cake and eat it to.
Honestly, if I am the #1 recruit in the nation coming out of HS, does it even make sense for me to go play college football for 2 years? Why not go train in an academy somewhere for two years and get sponsored by Gatorade and Nike. Otherwise quit complaining.
Yeh, except the problem is they aren't asking for a handout. They are asking for a exploitive, bullshite governing body to stop being so oppressive. People get confused and actually twist it around in their head to where these people doing incredibly valued labor for free are begging for more handouts.
Its exploitative and bullshite. And imo their should be property rights laws that stop the NCAA from exploiting these kids and profiting off of their likeness.
But people are jealous so they don't care. That's what it comes down to at the end of the day. I am convinced nobody would ever be so indifferent to a situation like this if it were in a white collar profession like engineering. I find the same people insisting the players should be happy with the education compensation, can get other part time jobs, or are exaggerating how poor they are the same people who get indignant at the suggestion of millionaire CEO, doctor, etc salaries being capped or somehow limited to a below market wage.
It's truly sad and indicative of the exploitation culture that people don't sympathize and even ridicule these athletes for not budgeting their money more efficiently when they get paid a minuscule fraction of their market value but yet vehemently defend millionaires from a salary reduction. No surprise I guess.
Posted on 3/16/15 at 3:16 pm to TheSexecutioner
That is all great except once again, no one is forcing them to play and exploit themselves.
If it is such a player's rights issue the NFL should step in and provide a viable alternative where you can get paid in the two years before you become eligible.
If it is such a player's rights issue the NFL should step in and provide a viable alternative where you can get paid in the two years before you become eligible.
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