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re: Last Week Tonight With John Oliver hammered the NCAA
Posted on 3/16/15 at 11:38 am to RollTide1987
Posted on 3/16/15 at 11:38 am to RollTide1987
I tend to think that players should get paid because they are making the schools money. Where they lose me is when they talk about how bad off they are because they're always broke and don't have any free time. When I was at LSU there were never a shortage of athletes out at bars in tigerland with plenty of free time and money to party. And I don't remember there ever being a shortage of grade A pussy lined up.
I never hear anyone mention that perk.
I never hear anyone mention that perk.
Posted on 3/16/15 at 11:42 am to RollTide1987
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If there was a farm system for football like there is for baseball, I guarantee you college football would go the way of college baseball. You'd see a game or two on TV every now and then, but it wouldn't be the multi-billion dollar behemoth it is today. The same goes for basketball.
The NBA has a system it is called the NBDL, it was the CBA until Isiah Thomas bankrupted it.
Football can not have a system due to the nature of the sport and the cost associated with it. No NFL club is going to bankroll that and the NFLPA would never go for that.
Posted on 3/16/15 at 11:46 am to Freauxzen
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Disassociate the NCAA from colleges completely. Colleges merely become sponsors and the teams, like clubs. Then, they can be run more like a business. You have to destroy the scholarship model for this though. But I'm ok with that. If it isn't about college then so be it.
this is one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever read. first of all it shows you don't even know what the NCAA is. no one can "disassociate" from it. the colleges actually are ones that created the NCAA. if you are saying the colleges should get together and dissolve the NCAA you are kidding yourself. without rules we are left with anarchy. sure, you don't like the NCAA but just imagine college athletics without a third party regulating it. even the pro's have a regulatory system. advocating destroying schollies just so we can have an NFL minor league system is insane. MOST college schollies go to minor sport athletes.
Posted on 3/16/15 at 11:49 am to saint amant steve
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not the norm in most cases.
Based on what? Where are you getting this from?
Posted on 3/16/15 at 11:49 am to LSU GrandDad
What I find crazy is we are discussing Division I-A. But there are 3 times as many Divison I-AA (FCS) and Divison II schools that provide scholarships than Division I.
Also if you destroy Division I-A, you are going to destroy Division I-AAA also.
Also if you destroy Division I-A, you are going to destroy Division I-AAA also.
Posted on 3/16/15 at 11:52 am to JG77056
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I tend to think that players should get paid because they are making the schools money.
Who is going to pay the players? The schools? With what money?
How many schools make enough money from sports like basketball and football to cover all operating costs and then a stipend for all players?
Posted on 3/16/15 at 12:04 pm to RollTide1987
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A bachelors isn't worth spit anymore. Most college grads I know are bussing tables at Olive Garden.
So then what is the point of college athletics?
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Plus it doesn't help that many of these athletes are as dumb as a box of rocks and are majoring in such worthwhile fields as sociology or cultural studies.
So are they college students or not?
Posted on 3/16/15 at 12:07 pm to RollTide1987
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I can guarantee you The University of Alabama would not be what it is today without its football program. Do you want to know why President Denny's name is all over that campus? It's because he launched a massive ad campaign in northern newspapers to bring their kids south to study at Alabama.
Eh maybe, you don't know. How many schools have made it without football? Has Dartmouth ever been good? Where would Stanford be without its football program? Probably just as awesome as they are now in academics.
The fact that there are plenty of schools who are successful and don't focus on sports proves that sports aren't the only way to build a big university.
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The football team. Even today you get massive amounts of students from states north of the Mason-Dixon coming to UA. Their reasoning? "My family has always gone here."
So their reason wasn't football, it was legacy? So football's impact isn't as big as you think?
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Now, if you want to argue about the external dollars that the power of sports as a marketing tool brings in, that's yes, another discussion. But don't act like...
I wasn't ignoring that fact.
Posted on 3/16/15 at 12:09 pm to hiltacular
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How many schools make enough money from sports like basketball and football to cover all operating costs and then a stipend for all players?
Just the TV contract for the basketball tourney brings in a billion dollars a year. You can start there. And the schools don't have to pay them a lot, or even at all in a lot of cases. Just allow them to profit off their likeness.
They find the money to pay coaches 3, 4, 5, 7 million dollars but they can't find another 500,000 to give each football player $500 a month? I'm not buying it.
This post was edited on 3/16/15 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 3/16/15 at 12:10 pm to JG77056
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Just allow them to profit off their likeness.
This, I bet a lot of people would be happy with this.
Posted on 3/16/15 at 12:10 pm to LSU GrandDad
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this is one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever read. first of all it shows you don't even know what the NCAA is. no one can "disassociate" from it. the colleges actually are ones that created the NCAA. if you are saying the colleges should get together and dissolve the NCAA you are kidding yourself. without rules we are left with anarchy. sure, you don't like the NCAA but just imagine college athletics without a third party regulating it. even the pro's have a regulatory system.
First, you're looking to deep into it. All I mean is figuring out a way to separate the two. And yes, I know how the NCAA works.
Third, Is the NCAA just a regulatory body anymore? No.
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advocating destroying schollies just so we can have an NFL minor league system is insane. MOST college schollies go to minor sport athletes.
Advocating is a strong word. But when you start paying players you're going to run into a LOT of problems. More than you seem think. Paying players will destroy the scholarship system as well, and it will be deemed unfair for the most part. And it will kill small colleges. Paying players is not a simple thing.
Posted on 3/16/15 at 12:13 pm to bigpetedatiga
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I bet a lot of people would be happy with this.
So when Cal-Berkley or Rutgers decides to offer more than LSU for a kid from NOLA that was a LSU lock and he flips you will be happy?
Or when a kid who decides to transfer because Alabama offers him more profit than LSU has you will be happy?
How are you going to set the rate? Cost of Living? Flat rate? There is no way you can "pay" a kid to play. Plus what happens when I sign a contract to get my money, but the school or whoever defaults on a payment or is late on it.
Now let's discuss the handlers of the kids and schools, who is going to pay them? What regulations are you going to have?
This post was edited on 3/16/15 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 3/16/15 at 12:15 pm to RollTide1987
Here are my concerns:
Paying players for autographs, jerseys, etc
- Does that open up a way for boosters to pay players?
- If one player is getting paid royalties from merchandise/likeness while another player isn't, how does that affect team chemistry? The All-American Senior Left Tackle isn't going to have a lot of jerseys sold while the 5 star freshman QB who hasn't had a snap probably could. Does a player have any recourse if they feel like the school isn't doing what they can to maximize that player's profitability.
- If we are going to give players $ from jerseys sales in retail stores, who determines what jerseys are going to be sold?
- If we're talking about compensation for playing, does every player on every team make the same? Does the Heisman candidate at USC make the same as the back-up long snapper at La Tech?
- Could every program afford to pay players or would some be forced to shut down their program?
Paying players for autographs, jerseys, etc
- Does that open up a way for boosters to pay players?
- If one player is getting paid royalties from merchandise/likeness while another player isn't, how does that affect team chemistry? The All-American Senior Left Tackle isn't going to have a lot of jerseys sold while the 5 star freshman QB who hasn't had a snap probably could. Does a player have any recourse if they feel like the school isn't doing what they can to maximize that player's profitability.
- If we are going to give players $ from jerseys sales in retail stores, who determines what jerseys are going to be sold?
- If we're talking about compensation for playing, does every player on every team make the same? Does the Heisman candidate at USC make the same as the back-up long snapper at La Tech?
- Could every program afford to pay players or would some be forced to shut down their program?
This post was edited on 3/16/15 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 3/16/15 at 12:16 pm to sms151t
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So when Cal-Berkley or Rutgers decides to offer more than LSU for a kid from NOLA that was a LSU lock and he flips you will be happy? Or when a kid who decides to transfer because Alabama offers him more profit than LSU has you will be happy? How are you going to set the rate? Cost of Living? Flat rate? There is no way you can "pay" a kid to play. Plus what happens when I sign a contract to get my money, but the school or whoever defaults on a payment or is late on it.
Did you even read what he replied to? He said a lot of people would be happy if they just let them profit off their likeness. Such as video games and endorsements. The schools wouldn't be paying them at all.
Posted on 3/16/15 at 12:17 pm to JG77056
The companies are not going to be giving them money. So the school will end up having to pay them. Do you even understand how that works?
Posted on 3/16/15 at 12:19 pm to sms151t
Oh you don't think Price LeBlanc would pay Leonard Fournette to do a commercial for them?
Posted on 3/16/15 at 12:21 pm to JG77056
Wait now its a local car dealership? First it was EA Sports and 2K video games. So when Fletcher Kia in Arkansas tells Fournette come to Arkansas for 375k per commercial and he says okay, you are okay with that?
Posted on 3/16/15 at 12:21 pm to sms151t
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The companies are not going to be giving them money. So the school will end up having to pay them. Do you even understand how that works?
Do you?
You realize that NFL players get paid for the likeness in Madden right?
Even if you give them .0010 of a cent per game sold or allow them to sell autographs for money.
Posted on 3/16/15 at 12:23 pm to bigpetedatiga
Yes I understand how profits from video games are split up.
The NFLPA collective bargained that percentage also they are inside individual endorsement contracts.
If you want the Southwest Conference again, go for it. But it will be the quickest way to destroy an entity.
The NFLPA collective bargained that percentage also they are inside individual endorsement contracts.
If you want the Southwest Conference again, go for it. But it will be the quickest way to destroy an entity.
This post was edited on 3/16/15 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 3/16/15 at 12:25 pm to sms151t
I'll need a link to where I mentioned EA sports or anything like that. I was talking about doing commercials and signing autographs. And it wouldn't be hard to set a cap on what they can make. They already have it set to $0, they can just raise it some.
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