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re: Bonine- the 2013 LHSAA split wasn't passed properly... OVERTURNED

Posted on 1/15/16 at 6:23 pm to
Posted by bigcatfish
Member since Feb 2009
1282 posts
Posted on 1/15/16 at 6:23 pm to
It is really difficult to change someone's mind on this one. If someone really wants the split you can't change their mind. If someone really does not want the split you can change their mind. I think this is really going to create a bigger divide between the select and non select schools.
Posted by secondandshort
Member since Jan 2014
1028 posts
Posted on 1/15/16 at 6:26 pm to
Agreed on that. Both sides seem to be locked in and probably going to be messy.
Posted by TROLA
BATON ROUGE
Member since Apr 2004
12299 posts
Posted on 1/15/16 at 6:27 pm to
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Bonine- the 2013 LHSAA split wasn't passed properly... OVERTURNED
I like the split. I don't understand how people don't get the fact that public schools feel as though they play with players they are given while the private schools can cherry pick players and students from many school districts.
I also think most public schools would not be affected by a private school pull out. I think many private schools in BR would lose students they might typically get by people moving to the surrounding parishes after time. LA would eventually turn more like MS and TN.
Not sure how many city BR schools Catholic and Episcopal play every year.





You seem very naive to the realities of the magnet programs and charter schools recruiting that takes place in the larger metro areas..
Posted by Methuselah
On da Riva
Member since Jan 2005
23350 posts
Posted on 1/15/16 at 6:39 pm to
Hell, I thought that vouchers were gonna save us from all this public private stuff. Then every school could get students from wherever they want. I guess with the election of a democratic governor the LHSAA pres figured he couldn't wait for the possibility.
Posted by chuckitdeep
Member since Nov 2008
730 posts
Posted on 1/15/16 at 6:49 pm to
Not naive just looking at it from the majority of public schools. 2 wrongs make a right and the other third gets screwed I guess.
Posted by CyrustheVirus
Member since Jan 2013
2870 posts
Posted on 1/15/16 at 7:26 pm to
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I think many private schools in BR would lose students they might typically get by people moving to the surrounding parishes after time.


You don't know much.
Posted by lsutigers1992
Member since Mar 2006
25317 posts
Posted on 1/15/16 at 8:20 pm to
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I love transitive property in sports. Especially high school sports. In 2014 Rummel beat the piss out of Acadiana who absolutely coasted their way through the 5a title



A very average Dutchtown team played the select state champion three years in a row and won twice.
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
47505 posts
Posted on 1/15/16 at 10:16 pm to
It's not messy if you support coming together... the split supporters need to realize that they have the sour grapes. They want to change the status quo. The burden of proof lies with them to prove why a split helps the LHSAA over no split up
Posted by Dr. Huxtable
Member since Jan 2013
1002 posts
Posted on 1/15/16 at 11:42 pm to
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I think many private schools in BR would lose students they might typically get by people moving to the surrounding parishes after time.


You don't know much.



THIS
Posted by Pedro
Geaux Hawks
Member since Jul 2008
33411 posts
Posted on 1/16/16 at 9:19 am to
When I played football we got knocked out by a private every year. Parkview in the quarters freshman year, parkview in the dome sophomore, and St Charles catholic in the second round junior year. My senior year when I wasn't playing the got beat by notre dame in the first round.

With that being said the split was idiotic and a massive fail.
A) the play offs should be a reward for having a great season not something that's handed to you for participating

B) yea privates can recruit but to be the best you have to beat the best.

C) 9 champions is entirely too much for Louisiana
This post was edited on 1/16/16 at 9:20 am
Posted by GeauxColonels
Tottenham Fan | LSU Fan
Member since Oct 2009
25604 posts
Posted on 1/16/16 at 10:37 am to
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C) 9 champions is entirely too much for Louisiana

ABSOLUTELY.

I think there definitely is a problem in the lower classifications....but nothing that can't be fixed by forcing private schools up via a multiplier or something of that nature. From what I've read, most of the complaining has come from schools 3A and below. I'm sure some principals at larger schools also have issues with the privates, but larger enrollments should negate some of the advantage privates have.

I, personally, don't like the split. I went to a public school (Hahnville). Some years we beat privates, others we didn't. I didn't look at it as them having some sort of unfair advantage, I looked at it as them being a better team. But in my lifetime, Hahnville has made it to the Dome 4 times. They won 3 of those games (92, 94, 03) against 2 public and 1 private school. We lost in 95 to Neville.
Posted by secondandshort
Member since Jan 2014
1028 posts
Posted on 1/16/16 at 11:23 am to
I could see it. Just look at other states public vs private. Over time if the split stayed I could see public schools becoming the more go to schools and people wanting to not go to city schools.
Posted by LSUButt
Lowcountry
Member since Jan 2006
14930 posts
Posted on 1/16/16 at 11:54 am to
3A football simply isn't good. There are about 4 quality teams now. Public school 3a was a joke this past year. Lutcher rolled through with little to no effort. 3A select was much more difficult. Parkview had to beat U-High then St Thomas More.

I'm tired of scenarios where in a classification almost every team makes it.
Posted by Methuselah
On da Riva
Member since Jan 2005
23350 posts
Posted on 1/16/16 at 4:28 pm to
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3A football simply isn't good. There are about 4 quality teams now. Public school 3a was a joke this past year. Lutcher rolled through with little to no effort. 3A select was much more difficult. Parkview had to beat U-High then St Thomas More.

I'm tired of scenarios where in a classification almost every team makes it.



I think the "almost everybody makes it was more on the private side because they were stretching a smaller number of teams over 4 classes.

As far as 3A - yeah, For Lutcher, they've won 3A on several occasions whether it was split or non split. But could not win in 4A whether it was split or non split.
Posted by TXGunslinger10
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2011
17995 posts
Posted on 1/16/16 at 4:57 pm to
That's a shame because historically, I always thought of 3A to be pretty evenly competitive.

For years, especially in the 90's-00's, they always produced the best (along with 1A) championship game.

Some of those old St James/Evangel games were great...and there's plenty other good examples like that.
This post was edited on 1/16/16 at 4:59 pm
Posted by CyrustheVirus
Member since Jan 2013
2870 posts
Posted on 1/16/16 at 4:59 pm to
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think the "almost everybody makes it was more on the private side because they were stretching a smaller number of teams over 4 classes


Wrong. You had 0-10 and 1-9 public teams make the playoffs. One of those schools was 1-9 Winfield. Yes, the same winnfield run by the dumbass lady who started this. Are you happy Jane? Your 1-9 football team made the playoffs.
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
47505 posts
Posted on 1/16/16 at 5:07 pm to
That happened bc they didn't want to go to 16 team brackets...
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
94921 posts
Posted on 1/16/16 at 5:08 pm to
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could see it. Just look at other states public vs private. Over time if the split stayed I could see public schools becoming the more go to schools and people wanting to not go to city schools.

My parents would work 8 jobs and make you torture them before they sent me to Lee high
Posted by Methuselah
On da Riva
Member since Jan 2005
23350 posts
Posted on 1/16/16 at 5:39 pm to
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Wrong. You had 0-10 and 1-9 public teams make the playoffs. One of those schools was 1-9 Winfield. Yes, the same winnfield run by the dumbass lady who started this. Are you happy Jane? Your 1-9 football team made the playoffs.


How many teams were there per class. In the publics v the privates? I remember seeing the numbers on it awhile back somewhere.
Posted by lsutigers1992
Member since Mar 2006
25317 posts
Posted on 1/16/16 at 6:07 pm to
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Wrong. You had 0-10 and 1-9 public teams make the playoffs. One of those schools was 1-9 Winfield. Yes, the same winnfield run by the dumbass lady who started this. Are you happy Jane? Your 1-9 football team made the playoffs.


Dude, take the hate blinders off. Jane Griffin was not happy that her shitty team made the playoffs. She's happy that Jesus Football Academy isn't beating Country BFE High 63-0 in the playoffs and making a complete mockery of the classification.
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