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re: Bonine- the 2013 LHSAA split wasn't passed properly... OVERTURNED
Posted on 1/15/16 at 3:20 pm to Mr Eko
Posted on 1/15/16 at 3:20 pm to Mr Eko
quote:What percentage of the pot of money split in the LHSAA come from the Baton Rouge and Nola private schools? IMHO a substantial amount that the LHSAA cant afford to lose
Agreed. The public schools can and will survive on their own. It's a New Orleans/Baton Rouge view of public vs private way of thinking that gets posted on this site. The public schools that will suffer the most on the field are already suffering to function properly as schools much less sports programs. The dynamics of this whole thing are more than the common person understands. People is South Louisiana don't really grasp that 90% of North Louisiana does not care one single bit what would happen if private schools leave the association. That's a big portion that gets to vote on a "solution."
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Posted on 1/15/16 at 3:21 pm to chalmetteowl
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if you're the schools you mentioned and you're losing gates from SCC and Riverside, how do you not suffer?
To be honest, the school from my town (Lutcher) hasn't played either Riverside or St. Charles in a regular season football game in ages. I don't know that we've ever played Riverside actually. St. Charles we used to play when we were in the same district. And the program seems to be doing fine. (I've heard that the Lutcher Quarterback Club was the most successful in the State and beyond but I have no proof of that
) I don't know if Destrehan, Hahnville, etc. ever play those schools either.
Again, I'm not necessarily pro split. But a lot of the more strident things I hear against it seem to be of the "we're gonna take our ball and leave and you'll be sorry because you can't afford your own ball" variety. Seems like threats being made out spite rather than a business decision. Which, if its in their best interest to go, I would think they'd have gone before now.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 3:24 pm to Methuselah
quote:Nobody has ever said it is in the privates best interest. However, it is a guarantee the privates can "afford" the split if they had to. On the other hand, can the publics afford the split? IMHO they cant. Can I prove it? Of course I cant. But when the privates threatened to leave the Publics when the full sport split was mentioned, the Publics wiped that idea off the table with the quickness
Which, if its in their best interest to go, I would think they'd have gone before now.
This post was edited on 1/15/16 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 1/15/16 at 3:29 pm to lsupride87
quote:
What percentage of the pot of money split in the LHSAA come from the Baton Rouge and Nola private schools? IMHO a substantial amount that the LHSAA cant afford to lose
The LHSAA will be loser in this. Not the schools. People make a big deal out of money end for the schools but at the end of the day it is a public or private school that is supposed to be providing educations. The schools and their football programs will go on but maybe without as nice of jerseys or helmets. The LHSAA however, they are screwed. And like Choupiquesushi said, this is 12 years in the making. They have to come up with a permanent solution or the organization stands to lose a lot.
Eta: the people who will be voting on this will have their schools interest at heart and not the association's. That is a major problem for the LHSAA.
This post was edited on 1/15/16 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 1/15/16 at 3:32 pm to lsupride87
quote:
Nobody has ever said it is in the privates best interest. However, it is a guarantee the privates can "afford" the split if they had to. On the other hand, can the publics afford the split? IMHO they cant. Can I prove it? Of course I cant. But when the privates threatened to leave the Publics when the full sport split was mentioned, the Publics wiped that idea off the table with the quickness
Well, if it's not in their best interest, why in the world would they do it?
Question for anyone: What is the benefits to the private schools to form their own association? There may well be one but if so I'm missing it. If a playoff split is bad, wouldn't a total split be worse?
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lsupride87
An all sport split would be pretty bad for everybody I think. My son played HS soccer for 4 years and I think the sport would have a hard time surviving with a split. Probably the same for lot of smaller sports. Of course the private schools tend to dominate in a lot of these sports too. But I think it can' be avoided. Both sides truly do need each other in those sports.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 3:34 pm to Methuselah
quote:The private schools know already that they are the biggest financial pillars of the Lhasa. However, they don't mind because they enjoy the current format of playing with the public schools for history Etc etc. Now, if you tell them there is a full sport split then that means there is absolutely no reason for them anymore to be associated with the public schools in anyway.
Well, if it's not in their best interest, why in the world would they do it?
Posted on 1/15/16 at 3:36 pm to Mr Eko
quote:notice Bonine spoke on that... reminds me a bit of Republicans and Democrats...
Eta: the people who will be voting on this will have their schools interest at heart and not the association's. That is a major problem for the LHSAA.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 3:41 pm to lsupride87
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that means there is absolutely no reason for them anymore to be associated with the public schools in anyway.
rivalry games? using public school stadiums? the Dome for the championships? if private schools bail they lose those three things
This post was edited on 1/15/16 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 1/15/16 at 3:43 pm to chalmetteowl
I noticed Bonine did that but I don't think it changes anything. Most public schools have dug their heels in on this.
People do not understand financially how these revenues work and the interests involved. Yes the LHSAA makes money but the membership by in large does not care about the money made by the association. They care about the money made by their schools. The more playoff games there are the more money that is made. So let's say for the sake of argument there was 100 (making that number up) playoff games. That was 100 schools that were making money. Now with more brackets there is 150 (once again making that number up) playoff games. Now 150 schools are making money off of those games. The playoff games are the money makers for schools because those are outside the budgets. And for a lot of schools were not talking very much money but still the principals care about that than however much the hell the LHSAA is making.
People do not understand financially how these revenues work and the interests involved. Yes the LHSAA makes money but the membership by in large does not care about the money made by the association. They care about the money made by their schools. The more playoff games there are the more money that is made. So let's say for the sake of argument there was 100 (making that number up) playoff games. That was 100 schools that were making money. Now with more brackets there is 150 (once again making that number up) playoff games. Now 150 schools are making money off of those games. The playoff games are the money makers for schools because those are outside the budgets. And for a lot of schools were not talking very much money but still the principals care about that than however much the hell the LHSAA is making.
This post was edited on 1/15/16 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 1/15/16 at 3:44 pm to chalmetteowl
quote:The private schools will stil get that
the Dome for the championships?
quote:BR doesnt do this. Rummel moves to Tad. Good to go
using public school stadiums?
Posted on 1/15/16 at 3:48 pm to Mr Eko
my solution to keep the number of playoff games the same or raise them is to have 7 32 team brackets
you can either have 7 classes (about 43 teams each), or 6 classes (50 teams each) and an "open" bracket
case in point how did the principals keep Tommy Henry around when he was chomping cigars?
you can either have 7 classes (about 43 teams each), or 6 classes (50 teams each) and an "open" bracket
case in point how did the principals keep Tommy Henry around when he was chomping cigars?
This post was edited on 1/15/16 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 1/15/16 at 3:50 pm to chalmetteowl
quote:
rivalry games? using public school stadiums? the Dome for the championships? if private schools bail they lose those three things
They dont inherently lose all those things.. Baton Rouge and New Orleans would have some crumbling facilities if they didnt rent out stadiums to these schools..
If they do a full split.. The privates should bail with haste. No reason to continue supporting a system that doesnt value you as a member.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 3:54 pm to chalmetteowl
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point how did the principals keep Tommy Henry around when he was chomping cigars?
Exactly the principals didn't know and/or care what Ole Tommy was doing with that money. As long as their school as an adequate chance to compete in playoff games and make money for their schools.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 4:37 pm to chalmetteowl
In Metropolitan New Orleans, there's enough stadium space for everyone. It's only E.J., W.J. and Chalmette that have "public school" stadia. If E.J. is going to spite Rummel, and W.J. spite Shaw, over this, that would shock me.
But if not, the Zephyrs have already floated the idea of hosting Catholic League games, because John Curtis can't play a Catholic League opponent at Muss Bertolino. The visiting side couldn't even hold another school's band.
Jefferson Parish would find a way to build or significantly improve a playground stadium somewhere if they can make a home for a Catholic League school and earn some rent.
But if not, the Zephyrs have already floated the idea of hosting Catholic League games, because John Curtis can't play a Catholic League opponent at Muss Bertolino. The visiting side couldn't even hold another school's band.
Jefferson Parish would find a way to build or significantly improve a playground stadium somewhere if they can make a home for a Catholic League school and earn some rent.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 4:46 pm to RedPop4
I would gladly love to see the North LA schools try to organize and handle the South LA inner city schools. Good luck helping them find referees for games too.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 5:21 pm to rt3
quote:
it's back in the regular 5 class system like it was pre-split
In before Curtis drops back to 2A to beat up on public school powerhouses that dress 30 players to their 150.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 5:32 pm to Horsemeat
So salty.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 5:42 pm to Methuselah
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I don't know if Destrehan, Hahnville, etc. ever play those schools either.
Hahnville played Riverside this season for the only time that I can remember. I don't recall ever playing St Charles. We played Lutcher a couple times a few years back and have only met St James in a jamboree (that I can remember). But Hahnville and Destrehan don't rely on gates from any opponents for funding. Any large visiting crowds we get are a bonus.
BUT, I hate the split and really want to see this sorted out whether via a multiplier, forced placement into higher classes or other means. I get the argument from some of the tiny 2A schools....but 4A & 5A schools really shouldn't be complaining too much.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 6:09 pm to ProjectP2294
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At the time of split, they didn't get their kids that way or if they did, there was a way to manipulate it. But that was when OP Walker and LB Landry were still separate, so that certainly could have changed. I was working in Algiers at the time and knew the athletic director of the charter school system that ran OP Walker and (at that time) Karr. They specifically applied to be exempt from select status even though they had open enrollment and should have been select.
Correct, Karr just joined OneAp this year.Not sure when Landry-Walker joined, but OP Walker wasn't in it. And yes originally they were placed with the select teams, but they all applied to be exempt fearing a lawsuit, the LHSAA granted it.
Currently they get special preferences in OneAp. Karr's charter allows for preferences prior to the OneAP if you have a relative in their charter system or have a relative working for the charter. There are also zip codes preferences if you live on the WestBank. I'm sure Landry-Walker, Easton have similar arrangements.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 6:15 pm to GeauxColonels
I like the split. I don't understand how people don't get the fact that public schools feel as though they play with players they are given while the private schools can cherry pick players and students from many school districts.
I also think most public schools would not be affected by a private school pull out. I think many private schools in BR would lose students they might typically get by people moving to the surrounding parishes after time. LA would eventually turn more like MS and TN.
Not sure how many city BR schools Catholic and Episcopal play every year.
I also think most public schools would not be affected by a private school pull out. I think many private schools in BR would lose students they might typically get by people moving to the surrounding parishes after time. LA would eventually turn more like MS and TN.
Not sure how many city BR schools Catholic and Episcopal play every year.
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