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re: A current all-NBA team would wreck the dream team
Posted on 3/7/15 at 1:25 pm to lsu480
Posted on 3/7/15 at 1:25 pm to lsu480
Cant even believe im allowing this to be about Deandre Jordan, but the clippers are giving up 100 pts per game, 19th out of 30 teams. Their DRating is 16th best in the league. Wonder when the last time a DPOY team has been so shitty at defense? Good to see his coaches and teammates back him as DPOY, though.
Let's add on to this
Marc Gasol = 18/9 on 58% FG in 3 games
Tim Duncan= 18/11 on 59% in 4 games
Robin Lopez= 15/7 on 69% FG in 2 games
Jonas Valanciunas= 13/9 on 59% FG in 2 games
Jordan is giving up a FG% of nearly 50% at the rim
For comparison's sake
Both Gasols, AD, Cousins, Robin Lopez, Mozgov, Tim Duncan, Taj Gibson, Enes Kanter, Nerlens, Hassan Whiteside, Big Jonas, Dwight Howard, Hibbert, etc all are limiting players at the rim better than Jordan
To take it a step further, true defensive stalwarts like Serge Ibaka gives up 41% at the rim. A guy like Bogut and Rudy Gobert are limiting the opposition at sub 40% at the rim
So Jordan is getting abused by any center worth a frick in the NBA this season, and isnt near the top of defenders at the rim in terms of opponents FG%.
quote:
Demarcus Cousins is averaging 28/11 this year vs Deandre Jordan and the Clippers
AD threw up 26 vs him on 60% shooting
Drummond averages 18/13
Nik Vucevic 19/14
Let's add on to this
Marc Gasol = 18/9 on 58% FG in 3 games
Tim Duncan= 18/11 on 59% in 4 games
Robin Lopez= 15/7 on 69% FG in 2 games
Jonas Valanciunas= 13/9 on 59% FG in 2 games
Jordan is giving up a FG% of nearly 50% at the rim
For comparison's sake
Both Gasols, AD, Cousins, Robin Lopez, Mozgov, Tim Duncan, Taj Gibson, Enes Kanter, Nerlens, Hassan Whiteside, Big Jonas, Dwight Howard, Hibbert, etc all are limiting players at the rim better than Jordan
To take it a step further, true defensive stalwarts like Serge Ibaka gives up 41% at the rim. A guy like Bogut and Rudy Gobert are limiting the opposition at sub 40% at the rim
So Jordan is getting abused by any center worth a frick in the NBA this season, and isnt near the top of defenders at the rim in terms of opponents FG%.
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Posted on 3/7/15 at 1:26 pm to RTR America
if i were constructing a team to face the dream team and i could pick gasol or ewing's clone, i pick gasol
again, in order for ewing to get the stats that people are obsessing over, who gives up shots? if he's not getting the same rate of usage, then why are you all so enamored with him as the 5 of the dream team?
i don't have to worry about that with gasol. he doesn't need to take 20 shots/game to establish his worth
gasol is the superior defender (reigning DPOY) and facilitator. he fits the modern scheme better than ewing does.
again, in order for ewing to get the stats that people are obsessing over, who gives up shots? if he's not getting the same rate of usage, then why are you all so enamored with him as the 5 of the dream team?
i don't have to worry about that with gasol. he doesn't need to take 20 shots/game to establish his worth
gasol is the superior defender (reigning DPOY) and facilitator. he fits the modern scheme better than ewing does.
Posted on 3/7/15 at 1:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
Slo, don't put that post on your GM resume.
Ewing blocks and boards, buddy.
Also, Ewing is a significantly better athlete, and you young guns love to talk athletes.
Ewing blocks and boards, buddy.
Also, Ewing is a significantly better athlete, and you young guns love to talk athletes.
This post was edited on 3/7/15 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 3/7/15 at 1:39 pm to Solo
I can't believe this thread is still going on.
Posted on 3/7/15 at 2:18 pm to RTR America
quote:
3 is the lowest number of his career or at least since he became a starter.
His career average is 3.0 and he has only hit 4 one year and that was 4.0. I mean that is fine but it doesn't make up for everything else he is lacking when you compare him to Ewing.
I'm glad you admit he isn't as good as Ewing.
Posted on 3/7/15 at 2:32 pm to lsu480
again
it's not about comparing the talent. i have said like 10 times i concede the talent argument
the advantage is scheme, and gasol fits the modern scheme better. i want his defense and offensive versatility and facilitation
durant/james/curry will handle the scoring load. i don't want a 5 who is looking to shoot or whose value is found in volume shooting
it's not about comparing the talent. i have said like 10 times i concede the talent argument
the advantage is scheme, and gasol fits the modern scheme better. i want his defense and offensive versatility and facilitation
durant/james/curry will handle the scoring load. i don't want a 5 who is looking to shoot or whose value is found in volume shooting
Posted on 3/7/15 at 4:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
Another flaw in this thread is that people think all of the teams the Dream Team faced were weak. Some of those Olympic teams were stocked with future and current NBA players that were more versed in international play (a topic not brought up in this thread at all.. what format are they playing?). Including the 92 Lithuanian team that featured Sarunas Marciulionis and Arvydas Sabonis. Sabonis would have been better than both Gasol brothers had he been allowed to play in the NBA. Rather he got abused in the Euroleague and was a shell of himself when he finally came over. But he was the reason they US took pros after Sabonis destroyed Robinson in the 88 Olympics..
Posted on 3/7/15 at 4:42 pm to brmark70816
Sabonis wasn't the reason the 88 team got beat.
They got beat because the team was flawed with terrible shooters. Hersey Hawkins got hurt your only shooter was Maerjle who was awful. Charles Smith (PG from Georgetown) and Bimbo Coles gave you nothing either.
They got beat because the team was flawed with terrible shooters. Hersey Hawkins got hurt your only shooter was Maerjle who was awful. Charles Smith (PG from Georgetown) and Bimbo Coles gave you nothing either.
Posted on 3/7/15 at 5:04 pm to sms151t
He was one of the reasons. I just remember reading in Robinson's autobiography how tough Sabonis was and always seemed to get the better of him. Maybe a lot of that comes from how humble Robinson is/was. There is no doubt they were pretty even up though. Given that the whole 88 Olympic team was dependent on Robinson, neutralizing him went along way to beating them.
Point still stands that all the other teams weren't just scrubs though. The Croatian team the Dream team faced in the gold medal game was loaded and featured Drazen Petrovic. He is pretty up there as far as international players to ever play in the NBA and the Dream team still beat them by 30+..
Point still stands that all the other teams weren't just scrubs though. The Croatian team the Dream team faced in the gold medal game was loaded and featured Drazen Petrovic. He is pretty up there as far as international players to ever play in the NBA and the Dream team still beat them by 30+..
Posted on 3/7/15 at 5:08 pm to brmark70816
quote:
Point still stands that all the other teams weren't just scrubs though.
They are in comparison to the national teams nowadays.
Posted on 3/7/15 at 5:11 pm to brmark70816
quote:
Another flaw in this thread is that people think all of the teams the Dream Team faced were weak
The Lithuanians and Yugoslavians had some good teams back then. But regardless of how strong you feel the Dream Team's competition was, the overall level of international play has improved since 1992, no? The London team won by an average of 32. Not saying that's more impressive than 92, just those guys were pretty dominant in their tournament.
I love the Dream Team. They were great. I loved watching them 20 years ago. True legends. I thoroughly enjoyed Jack McCallum's recent book on the Dream Team. I also love what the NBA is now and the way the new generation plays. There are legends in this mix too. They are both great collections of talent. Bottom line, I am lucky to be an NBA junkie right now.
Posted on 3/7/15 at 8:13 pm to brmark70816
That team wasn't dependent on Robinson it had Manning also. But when Hawkins went out they had no outside game at all and Thompson was too stubborn to go to his 1-3-1 to stop the backdoor and take away the high post
Posted on 3/7/15 at 8:23 pm to sms151t
I have no what is going on in this thread in the last 25 pages or so, but this is kind of crazy to be still be going on.
From what I gathered:
PrimeTimeMoney needs a shovel taller than DeAndre Jordan to dig himself out of the hole he made.
People are using prime players for the current all-NBA team and that is not the case for the Dream Team.
OP included fricking Giannis in his all-NBA team.
People have used Marc Gasol for the current team while the Dream Team is American. Can 1992 get Hakeem then?
Magic Johnson was argued against as a weakness and way past his prime despite dominating the NBA just a couple months ago.
People are forgetting about Isiah Thomas because Jordan did not want him on the team.
The scrimmage against the college players that Chuck Daly intentionally tried to tank is used against the Dream Team. Does no one remember the rematch the next day where the college guys put up 0?
There is a semi-popular concept that modern athletes are so much better. They are maybe marginally better. There is just no way everything can change in like 20 years. It is biologically impossible.
Most importantly to me, people have accepted the false statement that high schoolers are faster than Carl Lewis. No high school or collegiate athlete has ever run 9.86 in the 100. In fact, that was not even his best event.
From what I gathered:
PrimeTimeMoney needs a shovel taller than DeAndre Jordan to dig himself out of the hole he made.
People are using prime players for the current all-NBA team and that is not the case for the Dream Team.
OP included fricking Giannis in his all-NBA team.
People have used Marc Gasol for the current team while the Dream Team is American. Can 1992 get Hakeem then?
Magic Johnson was argued against as a weakness and way past his prime despite dominating the NBA just a couple months ago.
People are forgetting about Isiah Thomas because Jordan did not want him on the team.
The scrimmage against the college players that Chuck Daly intentionally tried to tank is used against the Dream Team. Does no one remember the rematch the next day where the college guys put up 0?
There is a semi-popular concept that modern athletes are so much better. They are maybe marginally better. There is just no way everything can change in like 20 years. It is biologically impossible.
Most importantly to me, people have accepted the false statement that high schoolers are faster than Carl Lewis. No high school or collegiate athlete has ever run 9.86 in the 100. In fact, that was not even his best event.
Posted on 3/7/15 at 8:33 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
People with common sense should realize the talent gap between 1950 and 1970 is greater than the gap between 1970 and 1990, which is greater than the gap between 1990 and 2010.
People, mostly those who can only remember back to like 2008, seem to equate 1990s NBA with 1950s NBA, which is just laughable. The NBA had tons of athletes, even those who solely thrived on athleticism over skill.
Marcus Camby was DeAndre Jordan before DeAndre Jordan, and he actually helped lead his team to the Finals (where they lost to Duncan, who, 16 years later, is still a top big in the league).
On top of all that, you still have players from the '90s era who have been top players in the last few years in the aforementioned Duncan as well as Kobe.
This thread was made 10 years too soon.
People, mostly those who can only remember back to like 2008, seem to equate 1990s NBA with 1950s NBA, which is just laughable. The NBA had tons of athletes, even those who solely thrived on athleticism over skill.
Marcus Camby was DeAndre Jordan before DeAndre Jordan, and he actually helped lead his team to the Finals (where they lost to Duncan, who, 16 years later, is still a top big in the league).
On top of all that, you still have players from the '90s era who have been top players in the last few years in the aforementioned Duncan as well as Kobe.
This thread was made 10 years too soon.
Posted on 3/7/15 at 10:15 pm to Tigerfan56
You are so wrong. The original dream team is one of the greatest teams of all time, in any sport.
Jordan
Bird
Magic
David Robinson
Patrick Ewing
Chris Mullin
Clyde Drexler
Karl Malone
Charles Barkley
John Stockton
Scottie Pippen
Outside of Bird and Magicn all these players were in their prime.
No all star team of today could beat them in a 7 game series.
Jordan
Bird
Magic
David Robinson
Patrick Ewing
Chris Mullin
Clyde Drexler
Karl Malone
Charles Barkley
John Stockton
Scottie Pippen
Outside of Bird and Magicn all these players were in their prime.
No all star team of today could beat them in a 7 game series.
Posted on 3/8/15 at 2:02 am to JaxTiger10
quote:
The original dream team is one of the greatest teams of all time, in any sport.
one of?
naw, they are the greatest team ever assembled in any sport
Posted on 3/8/15 at 2:03 am to GynoSandberg
quote:
Cant even believe im allowing this to be about Deandre Jordan, but the clippers are giving up 100 pts per game, 19th out of 30 teams. Their DRating is 16th best in the league. Wonder when the last time a DPOY team has been so shitty at defense? Good to see his coaches and teammates back him as DPOY, though.
quote:
Demarcus Cousins is averaging 28/11 this year vs Deandre Jordan and the Clippers
AD threw up 26 vs him on 60% shooting
Drummond averages 18/13
Nik Vucevic 19/14
Let's add on to this
Marc Gasol = 18/9 on 58% FG in 3 games
Tim Duncan= 18/11 on 59% in 4 games
Robin Lopez= 15/7 on 69% FG in 2 games
Jonas Valanciunas= 13/9 on 59% FG in 2 games
Jordan is giving up a FG% of nearly 50% at the rim
For comparison's sake
Both Gasols, AD, Cousins, Robin Lopez, Mozgov, Tim Duncan, Taj Gibson, Enes Kanter, Nerlens, Hassan Whiteside, Big Jonas, Dwight Howard, Hibbert, etc all are limiting players at the rim better than Jordan
To take it a step further, true defensive stalwarts like Serge Ibaka gives up 41% at the rim. A guy like Bogut and Rudy Gobert are limiting the opposition at sub 40% at the rim
So Jordan is getting abused by any center worth a frick in the NBA this season, and isnt near the top of defenders at the rim in terms of opponents FG%.
Posted on 3/8/15 at 2:03 am to Tigerfan56
42 pages wtf
Posted on 3/8/15 at 8:48 am to TheWalrus
Lets not forget that Chuck Barkley would be outmatched, The Admiral was immobile, or that Gasol is gonna handle up Ewing/Robinson. Those were the best.
Posted on 3/8/15 at 9:00 am to RonBurgundy
quote:
I can't believe this thread is still going on.
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