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re: For the posters "of a certain age", how have you found a balance in your life?

Posted on 5/4/15 at 10:23 am to
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
Member since Nov 2007
37715 posts
Posted on 5/4/15 at 10:23 am to
Wow. You're doing exactly what I am working towards every day.

I'm around your age but if my growth and numbers stay constant, I can focus on my rental property business full time in less than 8 years. I've got a six figure job in real estate right now but the stress and lack of free time is awful. I'm living as frugal as I can just saving and investing trying to escape.

I'm only doing single family homes right now mostly due to the great returns (proforma on latest purchase is 30% ROI) but I know I need to scale up to multi-family to hit the numbers I need to retire.

Stick around and post more. Your story is fascinating.

This post was edited on 5/4/15 at 10:24 am
Posted by MrSweets
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2015
57 posts
Posted on 5/4/15 at 10:36 am to
Will do.
Posted by Delacroix
Member since Oct 2008
3987 posts
Posted on 5/4/15 at 10:37 am to
quote:

didn't say "retired". I said "semi retired".

I wasn't born with a silver spoon. It was just hard work and planning, but mostly planning. After college, I worked as a corporate accountant. During my years of working, I estimated that I was averaging 50K a year. Not glamorous and definately not enough to "retire". But what I did when I was not working is to learn and develop a new skill that allow me start my own business (prefer not to go into details). When I saved enough to pay of the student loan, I started saving for real estate investing. So work, saved 50K, buy a multiunit property. Rinse, cycle, repeat 3x.

I quit my corporate job early last year and decided to focus on my business and rentals full time. Rentals have given me (on a monthly basis) some cash flow, gaining equity, and a place to stay for free. But I'll be reaping the fruits of my labor when they are paid of in 7-8 years. In the meantime, I'm clearing what an average engineer makes but only working 100 hrs/month. And it sounds cheesy, but when you are doing something you love, it doesn't feel like working.

I could've stayed at my corporate position, get my CPA, climb the ladder, and have a great salary. But I don't want to be putting in 60 hours a week, managing stress, and play office politics(a waste of human potentials) in doing so.

This thread was about balance and here's my opinion on balance. In life, each of us is given a fixed amount of time. So this time is important. However, in order to spend this time in the manner we want, we need money. So money is also important. But you don't want money as the end goal. You want money as a mean to live a quality, meaningful life. I often see people trying to make as much money as possible like they are playing a game and trying to win it. But at what cost are they paying for this? Health, family, loss of time, doing something they don't like?

To me, having the right amount of time and money = freedom. And freedom is what people should try to strive for because you can't be happy without it.


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Posted by VABuckeye
Naples, FL
Member since Dec 2007
35557 posts
Posted on 5/4/15 at 10:41 am to
Hawkeye,

I've done a lot of research on opening a business in the Caribbean. Something that eases entry into a business down there is having a native partner. In fact, many islands and countries require this.
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
Member since Nov 2007
37715 posts
Posted on 5/4/15 at 10:50 am to
Finding someone you trust would be the hardest part in my opinion. They could rob you blind and you would have little to no recourse.
Posted by VABuckeye
Naples, FL
Member since Dec 2007
35557 posts
Posted on 5/4/15 at 10:59 am to
Yeah. There can be risks. A strong partnership agreement is required. In many countries you don't have a choice. The Bahamas comes to mind immediately as one.
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
20293 posts
Posted on 5/4/15 at 10:59 am to
quote:

I've done a lot of research on opening a business in the Caribbean. Something that eases entry into a business down there is having a native partner. In fact, many islands and countries require this.


we are looking at panama and nicaragua, and right now we like panama. You have to hire locals to run it, but you do not have to have a local partner. Or at least that we have read. One thing we have read is that the rules are always shifting, and some rules apply to you and some rules apply to others.

Its just an idea at this point but the coffee in general sucks down there despite growing it. And with a large ex-pat community I think a coffee shop could do well, especially if you also roasted beans (no export) and paired it with food and alcohol.

I think the most important thing I need to do is improve my spanish.
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
Member since Nov 2007
37715 posts
Posted on 5/4/15 at 11:06 am to
If the new canal gets built in Nicaragua, it will be huge for that country (although devastating to wildlife). I plan on buying a rental house there in the next few years. You can get a great house for 50k in Managua(expat community).

If you want to live in San Juan Del Sur, you're looking at 200k for beach view but that is still a phenomenal price point in my opinion.
Posted by hungryone
river parishes
Member since Sep 2010
11987 posts
Posted on 5/4/15 at 11:06 am to
quote:

Its just an idea at this point but the coffee in general sucks down there despite growing it. And with a large ex-pat community I think a coffee shop could do well, especially if you also roasted beans (no export) and paired it with food and alcohol.

I found the same situation in Guatemala. The good stuff commands top dollar & gets exported, leaving the locals to consume some pretty terrible quality coffee.
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
20293 posts
Posted on 5/4/15 at 11:54 am to
quote:

If the new canal gets built in Nicaragua, it will be huge for that country (although devastating to wildlife). I plan on buying a rental house there in the next few years. You can get a great house for 50k in Managua(expat community).

If you want to live in San Juan Del Sur, you're looking at 200k for beach view but that is still a phenomenal price point in my opinion.

with the expansion of the panama canal, the one in nicaragua doesn't make a lot of sense.

I also worry about property rights in nicaragua.
Posted by VABuckeye
Naples, FL
Member since Dec 2007
35557 posts
Posted on 5/4/15 at 12:04 pm to
Yeah. A ton of research is necessary. We're considering Turks & Caicos and the USVI and BVI. They're more expensive but stable in all respects.
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4103 posts
Posted on 5/4/15 at 12:56 pm to
I just saw a piece on CNBC that somewhat relates to this topic, though my original question wasn't specifically targeted at (just) wealthy people.

Millionaires Feel Stuck on a Treadmill

quote:

Wealth is also a blessing and curse for families. While millionaires say they value family above all else, and their wealth is aimed at improving their lives, they also say they sacrificed too much time from family to make their wealth. Millionaires' "biggest regrets relate to mistakes they made with spouses and family members," the report said.
This post was edited on 5/4/15 at 12:57 pm
Posted by MrSweets
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2015
57 posts
Posted on 5/4/15 at 3:24 pm to
The guy said "The more wealth we have, the more you think you need". Is this a curse of human nature? That we can never be satisfied and believe that whatever we have is never enough. What is it about money that make people go out of their way to get more than what they need? Sure, we need money to exchange for food and services in order to live. But in the story, people who had 1-5 million in net worth said that they needed 5-10 million.

Lao Tzu once said "He who knows what's enough will always have enough".

Posted by Coastdog28
Tampa
Member since Apr 2009
5 posts
Posted on 5/4/15 at 5:10 pm to
Longtime lurker and usually spend time between the money board and Bigger Pockets. Bama, our stories sound very similar. Im 31 and also in the RE field. Love this board though.

And, it does seem tough to juggle your job and try to do your own thing on the side. I'm not sure how some people do it.
Posted by kennypowers816
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2010
2446 posts
Posted on 5/4/15 at 5:26 pm to
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Member since Apr 2009
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quote:

Longtime lurker


Yeah, I'd say so.
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
Member since Nov 2007
37715 posts
Posted on 5/4/15 at 5:39 pm to
Get involved. I feel like the RE knowledge is lacking over here so we really need more RE guys chiming in.

When it comes to personal finance and the stock market, you won't find a better board than here. Lot of good advice and smart people.

Are you doing rentals, flips or what?
Posted by theoldwiseone33
University of Louisiana
Member since May 2012
493 posts
Posted on 5/4/15 at 8:21 pm to
I'm glad real estate is making a push in this thread. I'm 29 and own 3 single family rentals and I absolutely love landlording so far. As long as you screen tenants you will be fine. I'm either in this board or bigger pockets in my free time. Both are priceless.
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
Member since Nov 2007
37715 posts
Posted on 5/4/15 at 8:57 pm to
What is your investment criteria for your single family investments?

I've been hitting the 2% rule like a drum and even have one 3%. My market is gold for landlords.
Posted by eng08
Member since Jan 2013
5997 posts
Posted on 5/4/15 at 9:04 pm to
I've got 2 and it's been relatively easy. All of the "issues" really arise from the house thT had a ton of deferred maintenance, initially bought by my wife out of an estate. And no one did anything on it.
Posted by Fat Bastard
coach, investor, gambler
Member since Mar 2009
72674 posts
Posted on 5/4/15 at 9:32 pm to
quote:

I feel like the RE knowledge is lacking over here so we really need more RE guys chiming in.



ahem

i told you before to start up a RE only thread we can all chime in on.
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