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Posted on 3/18/14 at 10:37 pm
Posted by nelatf
NELA
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 3/18/14 at 10:37 pm
I have my emergency fund fully funded - but it is sitting in a savings account earning nothing.

I am tempted to pull it over to my fidelity account and try to do a little better than savings account return.

What do you MB experts do with your emergency funds for a better return than a savings account?
Posted by crazyhorsedog
Member since Feb 2014
110 posts
Posted on 3/18/14 at 10:46 pm to
Peace of mind is worth more than cash value to me. I ensure I have 8k min in my checking by the time I'm paid.

10k is prob only 3 months expenses but I have a stable job and my wife could work asap if needed.
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 3/18/14 at 11:08 pm to
I put mine in a Roth IRA. The returns year over year aren't necessarily any better but the benefit comes about 15-20 years down the road because there is no tax at all.
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
51895 posts
Posted on 3/19/14 at 12:55 am to
I personally hate having money not working for me.

If you don't already have a Roth, use it for that.



After a few years, the accumulated gains will far offset losses you might incur if you happen to withdraw in the middle of a big downturn.



The key is to slowly phase it over. Don't dump all of your money in it at once, so part of it can build earnings without the full risk exposure.


Also, use a balanced fund, not all stock.

I use Vanguard's STAR fund.
Posted by jso0003
Member since Jun 2009
5170 posts
Posted on 3/19/14 at 6:04 am to
Set up a seperate brokerage acct and throw it in some kinda ultra stable bond fund.
Posted by 756
Member since Sep 2004
14853 posts
Posted on 3/19/14 at 6:35 am to
I suggest

Lord Abbott Fund
Posted by reb13
Member since May 2010
10905 posts
Posted on 3/19/14 at 7:53 am to
I do not understand the need for a savings account, what expense cannot be put on a credit card while you unwind your brokerage account? It takes what, 5 days max to get the money?
Posted by HuntFishMan
Member since Feb 2014
304 posts
Posted on 3/19/14 at 8:02 am to
Day Trade
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
80099 posts
Posted on 3/19/14 at 8:16 am to
quote:

I do not understand the need for a savings account, what expense cannot be put on a credit card while you unwind your brokerage account?


Never thought about it like that...


I def need to move some cash around...

I've got 8mo living in my savings, 8mo living in my checking, and about 5k in my frick You account.

My tax return along with a couple of nice paychecks have snuck up on me and I haven't had time to move it around.
Posted by lsaltee
poppin a tent, roastin marshmellows
Member since Sep 2007
3634 posts
Posted on 3/19/14 at 8:22 am to
If you are in br, I think pelican credit union is giving 4% on up to 10k and a little less than 1% on anything over.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89482 posts
Posted on 3/19/14 at 10:48 am to
quote:

I do not understand the need for a savings account, what expense cannot be put on a credit card while you unwind your brokerage account? It takes what, 5 days max to get the money?


It's a good point - the only thing that leans against that is some crippling financial crisis that affects the brokerage accounts (or freezes them) but doesn't affect FDIC accounts - at least not immediately.

Crazier things have happened. I'm only about $12k in savings - the balance of my "emergency" fund is in stocks. I'm going to move more of my actual "emergency fund" savings into a Vanguard vehicle - then just roll that into excess investment.
Posted by Sigma
Fairhope, AL
Member since Dec 2005
3643 posts
Posted on 3/19/14 at 12:15 pm to
VWINX
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
80099 posts
Posted on 3/19/14 at 12:32 pm to
quote:

the only thing that leans against that is some crippling financial crisis that affects the brokerage accounts (or freezes them) but doesn't affect FDIC accounts


Correct me if I'm wrong, but Brokerage accounts are also insured up to a $$$ amount...

So I highly doubt those would be frozen and FDIC insured account wouldn't
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 3/19/14 at 1:04 pm to
quote:

I do not understand the need for a savings account, what expense cannot be put on a credit card while you unwind your brokerage account? It takes what, 5 days max to get the money?



This is exactly what I do, and no I don't understand why anyone uses savings accounts these days either provided you can put it in a Roth, or in a brokerage account if you've run out of contribution limits everywhere else.
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
39553 posts
Posted on 3/19/14 at 1:12 pm to
quote:

This is exactly what I do, and no I don't understand why anyone uses savings accounts these days either provided you can put it in a Roth, or in a brokerage account if you've run out of contribution limits everywhere else.



Here's a question, because it is currently bothering the shite out of me. (I already max my 401k match and ROTH for both the fiancee and myself). Right now I have 10k in a "high yield" online savings account.

Where would you put house down payment savings? Looking to buy before 2017, most likely late 2015 or in 2016.
This post was edited on 3/19/14 at 1:15 pm
Posted by barry
Location, Location, Location
Member since Aug 2006
50337 posts
Posted on 3/19/14 at 1:16 pm to
I convinced my wife to put into a brokerage account. You really only need MAYBE a month in cash, everything else can be easily reached in that amount of time.
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
39553 posts
Posted on 3/19/14 at 1:17 pm to
quote:

I convinced my wife to put into a brokerage account. You really only need MAYBE a month in cash, everything else can be easily reached in that amount of time.



So go into a taxable investment account? Seems like the only option left besides where I'm currently located. Obviously, the risk is loss of principal, etc. etc. etc.

ETA: If I do this, I might have to move some stuff around for tax efficiency. Doesn't look like the popular options of STAR, Wellesley or Wellington look particularly efficient, but maybe I'm a dumby.
This post was edited on 3/19/14 at 1:46 pm
Posted by TigeRoots
Member since Oct 2008
8505 posts
Posted on 3/19/14 at 1:24 pm to
I have my emergency fund in an Individual investment account, which can be fully liquid within 5 days if need be. Obviously there is some risk involved, but I monitor it constantly.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89482 posts
Posted on 3/19/14 at 2:32 pm to
quote:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Brokerage accounts are also insured up to a $$$ amount...


I don't think stocks, bonds and mutual funds are insured - maybe if your brokerage buys your CDs - those might qualify.

quote:

So I highly doubt those would be frozen and FDIC insured account wouldn't


You can't envision a situation where the trading floor and brokerage accounts are frozen, but ordinary deposit accounts remain active (for a while - no question a run will shut them down, too)? I agree that it appears unlikely, but certainly not unimaginable.
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
80099 posts
Posted on 3/19/14 at 2:34 pm to
quote:

The Securities Investors Protection Corporation (SIPC), a non government entity, replaces missing stocks and other securities in customer accounts held by its members up to $500,000, including up to $250,000 in cash, if a member brokerage or bank brokerage subsidiary fails.
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