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re: Why do you think Miles and his staff has trouble developing QBs?
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:31 am to Salviati
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:31 am to Salviati
Good analysis but..
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If you are the head coach and you see that your OC is "a QB killer" why would you wait for 3 years to fire his arse? Everyone else can see it, why can't you and why don't you act faster? Miles conservatism and hard headedness in this sitiatoon is as much to blame as Crowton himself.
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007 - 2010: Crowton was the OC from January 2007 until January 2011. I don't know why any HS QB would come to LSU to learn under Crowton. He was a QB development killer. He did it at Oregon. He did it at LSU. He did it at Maryland. Jefferson and Lee were products of Crowton. That pretty much wipes out everyone through the 2011 class. Crowton is the genesis of the LSU QB wasteland.
If you are the head coach and you see that your OC is "a QB killer" why would you wait for 3 years to fire his arse? Everyone else can see it, why can't you and why don't you act faster? Miles conservatism and hard headedness in this sitiatoon is as much to blame as Crowton himself.
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Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:31 am to Salmon
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You only really have JJ/Lee to make this case
This is one of the biggest mysteries since the Bermuda Triangle.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:33 am to Moustache
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Some of these folks need to realize they don't know more than the LSU staff.
MAJOR STRAWMAN ALERT!
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:34 am to Choupique19
quote:Because he was better.
I've been trying to figure out how Jennings, as a true freshman beat out both Rivers and Rettig.
quote::smh: GFY
I have been told by those in the know that Jennings leading the comeback against Arkansas surprised everyone because he couldn't complete a pass in practice.
quote:Because Jennings was better than them.
So I can't figure out how LSU has three qb's on campus (Rivers, Rettig, and Bolden) that couldn't beat out a true freshman for the backup role.
quote:Strawman. Nobody ever said that he was a super phenom. He was just better than Rivers and Rettig.
I think we all can admit that the true freshman was not a super phenom.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:36 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
Without looking through all the posts, I will say that the offensive line is built for a power running team and play action. For some reason Miles wants to run a spread which requires different blocking technique. Going back to When Lee was most effective was this offense. When Jefferson came in they spread it out more. Last 2 years with Mett was the same. 2 years of the same offense allowed to progress better than the others.
Again this year, the line is built for a power run team. Since Fla when LSU decided to be a run first and play action the line started to do what they are capable. Now, I believe Jennings will progress and learn how to run one offense instead a variation of power and spread. This will help him develop as a pure QB in my opinion.
Again this year, the line is built for a power run team. Since Fla when LSU decided to be a run first and play action the line started to do what they are capable. Now, I believe Jennings will progress and learn how to run one offense instead a variation of power and spread. This will help him develop as a pure QB in my opinion.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:41 am to Moustache
quote:You are, of course, undeniably unbiased and accurate. Until the Bama game in 2012, LSU ran the same play everytime they passed. The line was always in max protect, and the receivers always ran identical routes for eight games.
Because it isn't fair to judge the other games when the offense refused to open up. How can a QB be judged when the line is in max protect and he only has 2 options to throw to? In addition, those 2 options ran the same fricking route?
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:41 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
According to an earlier post Cam is an "average" QB developer. Harbaugh, Randle El, Brees, Rivers, Flacco, Mett. I'd like to see who is a good QB developer.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:43 am to trooploop
Why did admin anchor my post? What's wrong with it?
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:44 am to Moustache
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I can agree Cam's playcalling helped Mett blossom. Do I believe Cam is a QB guru? Based on his body of work....no. He is average-above average but he is far from a QB guru.
the rant continues to amaze me. George whitfield is considered "THE QB GURU". Well, he learned from Cam.
Elvis Gerbac
drew b.
Phillip R.
Joe F.
Antoine Randle El
and now Zach M.
That is long list of qb's with multiple pro and college teams. They all saw their greatest improvement under Cam. Drew was being replaced by rivers until Cam came along and made him into an all pro. Drew is wealthy today based on his improvement under Cam.
If that is average, i'm not sure what good is.
I said when people were excited to see jimbo leave, they would later miss him for his ability to recruit qb's. I think we have that again with cam. I think harris will be good, he appears to have a guy or two in line for the future as well. Les made the right hire in Cam.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:46 am to baobabtiger
quote:Actually, both Jefferson and Lee improved three of four years at LSU. Lee was worse from 2008 to 2009, and Jefferson was worse from 2009 to 2010.
Lee, and Jefferson showed no improvement from their freshman to senior years. Right now our current starter is much of the same.
Other than one year for each of them, Jefferson's and Lee's numbers improved each year.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:56 am to Tiger_n_ATL
quote:Oh, so Miles should have known in 2008 what we now know in 2014?
If you are the head coach and you see that your OC is "a QB killer" why would you wait for 3 years to fire his arse? Everyone else can see it, why can't you and why don't you act faster?
You have the benefit of knowing what happened at LSU during 2008, 2009, and 2010. You also have the benefit of knowing what happened in Maryland during 2011. Miles did not have that knowledge in 2008.
Miles also had the confounding variable in 2008 of not having RP as the QB. Was the probem with Crowton or was the problem in having a RSFr QB in Lee or a true Freshman QB in Jefferson?
Posted on 10/28/14 at 12:01 pm to Ellis Hugh IV
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If Ryan Perriloux hadn't f'd up and got kicked off the team, I don't think we'd have seen much of JJ and Lee in the following years.
RPs problem was he felt he should have been handed the job from Day 1 and when he did not threw a fit and lost his mind.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 12:05 pm to Choupique19
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75/25 run to pass ratio will not do much to help a qb gain confidence.
LSU athletes aren't lacking in confidence, like you rantards. Just because you are filled with self doubt (highly justified) doesn't mean they are.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 12:07 pm to Salviati
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So I can't figure out how LSU has three qb's on campus (Rivers, Rettig, and Bolden) that couldn't beat out a true freshman for the backup role.
Because Jennings was better than them.
Then that is some really bad qb evaluation in the recruiting process.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 12:08 pm to Salmon
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You only really have JJ/Lee to make this case
That's only if you think that Lee didn't "develop." Let's not conflate develop with become a generational talent at quarterback. Lee didn't become that.
EXHIBIT A
How one can look at 2008 and 2011 and conclude he didn't develop is a mystery to me.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 12:32 pm to Choupique19
quote:Rivers was always a project. He just didn't pan out.quote:Then that is some really bad qb evaluation in the recruiting process.
So I can't figure out how LSU has three qb's on campus (Rivers, Rettig, and Bolden) that couldn't beat out a true freshman for the backup role.
Because Jennings was better than them.
Rettig signed the same year as Jennings. He was also a true fresman. It's not a sign of bad QB evaluation that he was beat out by another true freshman.
Bolden was not "recruited" in the traditional sense. He was signed from Penn State as insurance against injury to Mett in the early part of the season.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 12:47 pm to Salviati
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Do you even remember how RP performed while at LSU? And just admit that you had no idea what happened to RP after he left LSU.
I know exactly what happened to RP. He played great, but he didnt' exactly set the FCS world on fire. He went to Jacksonville St, which is a school that many from my HS chose to go to.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 1:47 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
quote:oh so you're going to drag me into this thread too? jk.
LSU has good development at the QB position lol
seriously though, i haven't said it was good. what i have said is that the notion that it has been bad is not accurate. miles put them in a position to be successful. he coached them. he called the plays. he reviewed game film. several of his qb's have had respectable stats.
this thread is hilarious. mett was "already developed" in juco. but, he got better from '12 to '13. well, which is it?
and i have noticed the new shifting goalposts argument. once it was pointed out that miles has had successful qb's, the meme changed to him not being able to develop them "fast enough." it never ends with the negas
Posted on 10/28/14 at 1:50 pm to baobabtiger
quote:right. lee didn't really complete any passes before the bama game. there really wasn't a reason for randle to even be on the field
Lee, and Jefferson showed no improvement from their freshman to senior years
Posted on 10/28/14 at 1:53 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
quote:exactly. because top level coordinators who will fit in with your program are plentiful every season. you can just make a major staff change whenever you want. it's like shopping at target.
why would you wait for 3 years to fire his arse?
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