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re: Why do you think Miles and his staff has trouble developing QBs?
Posted on 10/28/14 at 10:53 am to lsu2006
Posted on 10/28/14 at 10:53 am to lsu2006
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I'm not ready to throw in the towel on Jennings or Harris,
Neither am I, especially Harris … but I'd still be looking for a good JUCO QB to add to the 2015 roster.
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Posted on 10/28/14 at 10:54 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
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It took three years to get him there though
actually it took 1.5 years
isn't that the definition of "developing"
seeing improvement as the players career progresses?
Posted on 10/28/14 at 10:56 am to Salmon
Cam is in place now, so things will change. As for Miles, his focus is on running the ball and playing defense. He doesn't need an all American QB for his system.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 10:56 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
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It took three years to get him there though So, are you satisfied to have shitty QB play every 3 years or so and wait until the QB is a senior for him to have a decent season?
This thread is making you look pretty stupid. You can't "develop" someone if they are already as good as they are going to be. So the premise of this thread is fricking stupid. Why not ask, why can't LSU bring in a QB who is Brett Farvre by his first ever snap. That seems to be what you are actually wondering. The answer is that person doesn't exist.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 10:57 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
. . . . . Because he always puts his QB's in a difficult position on 3rd and long when we don't run the ball effectively on 1st and 2nd down.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 10:58 am to euquol
If Ryan Perriloux hadn't f'd up and got kicked off the team, I don't think we'd have seen much of JJ and Lee in the following years.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 10:59 am to Salmon
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actually it took 1.5 years
he was with LSU for 3 years I believe. So, actually you have to count the entire length of time he was on the team.
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seeing improvement as the players career progresses?
Like I said earlier, are you as a fan satified with waiting until a player is a senior to see decent QB play?
Posted on 10/28/14 at 10:59 am to Salmon
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Mett developed nicely
Jennings is still pretty freaking young, so come back to me if Jennings is starting next year and still looks the same
You only really have JJ/Lee to make this case
Meh.
Mett was a Juco that was already pretty much developed. The fact remains that Les is 0-fer on developing QBs from HS.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:00 am to Da #1 Stunna
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. . . . . Because he always puts his QB's in a difficult position on 3rd and long when we don't run the ball effectively on 1st and 2nd down.
Dumb. Go look at the 1st down yardage against auburn and how harris responded.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:00 am to Moustache
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Mett was a Juco that was already pretty much developed.
Give me a break. Did you miss the entire 2012 season?
This post was edited on 10/28/14 at 11:01 am
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:00 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
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he was with LSU for 3 years I believe. So, actually you have to count the entire length of time he was on the team.
right...
are you saying that he only played well his last game?
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are you as a fan satified with waiting until a player is a senior to see decent QB play?
the light came on for Mett during Bama 2012...
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:01 am to Penrod
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Sure, JJ, Lee, Rettig, etc. have been highly rated, but that's highly rated by recruiting services. They don't know WTF they're talking about. QBs are especially hard to rate, too.
We don't know a thing about Rettig. Staff told him they wanted a mobile QB. That kind of excluded him.
Dude could be a good one.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:01 am to Moustache
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Mett was a Juco that was already pretty much developed.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:03 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
Three things can happen when you throw the ball, and two of them are bad.
I don't believe QB will ever be the focus of a Les Miles offense. He appeared to be thrilled that we won Saturday playing a style of offense that is currently out of vogue. Agree or not with his philosophy but its who he is as a coach.
Not to say if given a talented QB and a couple of talented WR's he won't divert in a given year but he will always return to what he most appreciates about football.
I don't believe QB will ever be the focus of a Les Miles offense. He appeared to be thrilled that we won Saturday playing a style of offense that is currently out of vogue. Agree or not with his philosophy but its who he is as a coach.
Not to say if given a talented QB and a couple of talented WR's he won't divert in a given year but he will always return to what he most appreciates about football.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:03 am to Moustache
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Meh.
Mett was a Juco that was already pretty much developed. The fact remains that Les is 0-fer on developing QBs from HS.
You think Mett developed enoughs skill in JUCO to end up being successful in the SEC? Come on. Some of you find it impossible to give credit. Mett's senior year is thanks to Cam Cameron, not his JUCO school. Don't be ridiculous.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:03 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
quote:So you're saying the staff developed Mett from bench to shitty to blossoming? You're making the case against yourself.
[Mett] only had one productive year while at LSU and he was here for three years I believe. I think one year he sat on the bench, his second year was shitty, and he blossomed his senior year.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:03 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
Well you have to have a qb to develop a qb. Why does Les go recruit read option qb's and put them in the power I. What these qb's we have did to get expearence in high school does not help them any. they have to start all over. How did Les let Zack Prescott get away to miss state, what would we look like if we had him. I'll tell you , the same as now. We could have Johnny U at qb and les wouldn't let him throw the ball.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:03 am to therick711
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This thread is making you look pretty stupid. You can't "develop" someone if they are already as good as they are going to be
If anyone is looking stupid it's your for posting this shite
Neither QB has reached their full potential as a freshman or sophomore. What I'm suggesting is that in all the years Miles has been here why haven't we seen faster growth in that position?
This post was edited on 10/28/14 at 11:04 am
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:04 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
There's not a ton of trust put in the QB position, nor is there an emphasis on a consistent passing game to win ballgames. LSU's approach to winning is to have a solid power running game; a great defense; and passing game that limits backbreaking TOs and occasionally hits a big play. That's it, and love it or hate it, it has been successful.
IMO Lee, Jefferson, Mett, and Jennings/Harris would have all had much better stats had they played somewhere else. They probably also would/will have "developed" more. However, LSU just hasn't asked them to do a lot.
Its been a "weak" link because:
A. LSU has won big with poor QB play. Why change something that seems to be working?
B. When they do need great QB play, they're asking guys to step away from what has been asked of them all year, i.e. to carry the offense. It's difficult to just "turn it on."
IMO Lee, Jefferson, Mett, and Jennings/Harris would have all had much better stats had they played somewhere else. They probably also would/will have "developed" more. However, LSU just hasn't asked them to do a lot.
Its been a "weak" link because:
A. LSU has won big with poor QB play. Why change something that seems to be working?
B. When they do need great QB play, they're asking guys to step away from what has been asked of them all year, i.e. to carry the offense. It's difficult to just "turn it on."
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:05 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
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Neither QB has reached their full potential as a freshman or sophomore. What I'm suggesting is that in all the years Miles has been here why haven't we seen quicker growth in that position?
Not many schools produce freshman and sophomore studs, man. We can't have Jameis Winston every fricking year.
Mett developed, Perilloux was developing nicely, and the whole JJ/JL debacle is due to Perilloux getting the boot.
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