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re: Why do you think Miles and his staff has trouble developing QBs?
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:05 am to lsu2006
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:05 am to lsu2006
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Did you miss the entire 2012 season?
No, but the playcalling and offensive philosophy was so horrendous that no QB would have succeeded in 2012.
Mett was just as good in 2012 Bama game as he was in all of 2013. Mett was pretty much held back by a 'tarded offense in '12.
I think it was Jesse Palmer or another color guy called out the offense in the '12 Auburn game. They ran max protect and only had 2 WRS. Both WRS ran curl routes and both were covered. WTF is Mett supposed to do with that? It's not like that was a one time playcall either.
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Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:07 am to Moustache
The point still stands that THIS STAFF developed Mett into a better QB in 2013. No reason to think they won't do the same with Jennings and/or Harris and other future QBs to come.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:07 am to Moustache
I still can't get over the fact that you think JUCO prepared Mettenberger for SEC defenses.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:07 am to cas4t
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Mett's senior year is thanks to Cam Cameron, not his JUCO school. Don't be ridiculous.
I can agree Cam's playcalling helped Mett blossom. Do I believe Cam is a QB guru? Based on his body of work....no. He is average-above average but he is far from a QB guru.
We had a QB similar to Mett in physical attributes in Rettig, but for some reason we chose an athletic, weaker armed QB.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:08 am to lsu2006
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he point still stands that THIS STAFF developed Mett into a better QB in 2013.
The point stands that opening up the playcalling and OBJ not dropping everything his way helped more than anything. Based on 2012 bama, I believe Mett was the same QB in '12 as he was in '13. Just had poor philosophy and surrounding cast in '12.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:08 am to Patrick_Bateman
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So you're saying the staff developed Mett from bench to shitty to blossoming? You're making the case against yourself.
I'm looking at the time it took for him to get there and asking why was it so slow for him to develop? Besides, Mett was pretty much an anomaly. The majority of Miles' tenure the QB position has always been the weakest link of his teams.
Maybe Cam is the answer to this question for the near future. I'm just looking at the present as well as looking back at the past in regards to the QB play at LSU under Miles' time here.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:08 am to lsu2006
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Give me a break. Did you miss the entire 2012 season?
I saw it. I also so us call for 3 slant passes in the same series against an South Carolina. Know what happened on the 3rd slant, pick 6. That's not on the qb. That's a bad coaching call to expect a SEC defender to not make an adjustment.
Mett's performance in 2012 had a lot to do with the offensive philosophy. Mett's a gunslinger, and the more he throws, the more he heats up. He's going to make a few bad throws, but he's also going to make a ton of great ones if you give him the chance. I swear that we opened the year against North Texas with a balanced approach, and then sometime that game Mett threw a pick in the red zone, and immediately the offense went back to the 2011 approach until we fell behind Bama 14-3 at half.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:09 am to Moustache
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We had a QB similar to Mett in physical attributes in Rettig
Oh, boy.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:11 am to lsu2006
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Oh, boy.
Is it not true? Both had above average arms, both lanky, both had stone feet.
I'm not saying Rettig would've been good, I don't know and neither do you. But I'm saying Les' offense has ALWAYS been better with a pocket type QB than a runner. See Lee '11, Jamarcus 05-06, Mett '13.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:11 am to Moustache
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The point stands that opening up the playcalling and OBJ not dropping everything his way helped more than anything. Based on 2012 bama, I believe Mett was the same QB in '12 as he was in '13. Just had poor philosophy and surrounding cast in '12.
We're just gonna ignore his vastly improved footwork, work-ethic, decision-making, ability to read defenses, etc.?
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:12 am to Moustache
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I can agree Cam's playcalling helped Mett blossom. Do I believe Cam is a QB guru? Based on his body of work....no. He is average-above average but he is far from a QB guru.
How do you explain his good first start with the titans? JUCO didn't do that. LSU and Cam did that.
Look, I'll be the first one to throw the remote across the room over play calling. I remember the exact game you referenced earlier. But it doesn't change the fact that Mett wasn't developed under Miles/Cam's tenure.
He ended the season with 3k passing yards! You can't attribute that to JUCO.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:13 am to lsu2006
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We're just gonna ignore his vastly improved footwork, work-ethic, decision-making, ability to read defenses, etc.?
Work Ethic? THat was on Mett. He wanted to make the NFL.
footwork? I didn't see much difference from Bama '12 to Bama '13 as far as footwork.
Decision-making? I don't know. Offensive philosophy and play calling was so dumb in '12 it's hard to say for sure.
Ability to read D? He did fine against the best defense in 2012. I'd say he actually regressed slightly (Ole Miss '13)
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:15 am to Moustache
You're picking one game when quarterbacking is about consistency over many repetitions.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:15 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
The answer is, one bad hire (Crowton), and one unlucky hire (Krags).
Miles' first QB coach was Jimbo Fisher, who did a phenomenal job with Mauck, Rohan, Flynn, and Russell. Fisher is clearly one of the best quarterback coaches in the country; only Richt and Petrino are even in his league.
Then there was the perfect storm of losing Perriloux and hiring Crowton. Crowton may be a great schematic coach but is very weak at coaching fundamentals, as soon became abundantly clear. Now if Perriloux had stuck, this would've been papered over for a couple years, since Perriloux was coached up by Fisher. But he didn't, and it became glaringly obvious that Crowton couldn't develop either Lee or Jefferson.
Crowton goes and we hire Kragthorpe, widely regarded as one of the best QB position coaches in the business (although not great as a head coach). Unfortunately he has serious health problems, and Stud moves in as an emergency measure. Stud is not a QB coach, never was, and we shouldn't be surprised that he was unable to develop the QBs.
Cam of course did a great job with Mett and will do a great job with Harris and Jennings. If you're asking why Harris isn't "developed" halfway through his true freshman year, I don't even know what to tell you.
Miles' first QB coach was Jimbo Fisher, who did a phenomenal job with Mauck, Rohan, Flynn, and Russell. Fisher is clearly one of the best quarterback coaches in the country; only Richt and Petrino are even in his league.
Then there was the perfect storm of losing Perriloux and hiring Crowton. Crowton may be a great schematic coach but is very weak at coaching fundamentals, as soon became abundantly clear. Now if Perriloux had stuck, this would've been papered over for a couple years, since Perriloux was coached up by Fisher. But he didn't, and it became glaringly obvious that Crowton couldn't develop either Lee or Jefferson.
Crowton goes and we hire Kragthorpe, widely regarded as one of the best QB position coaches in the business (although not great as a head coach). Unfortunately he has serious health problems, and Stud moves in as an emergency measure. Stud is not a QB coach, never was, and we shouldn't be surprised that he was unable to develop the QBs.
Cam of course did a great job with Mett and will do a great job with Harris and Jennings. If you're asking why Harris isn't "developed" halfway through his true freshman year, I don't even know what to tell you.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:15 am to cas4t
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How do you explain his good first start with the titans? JUCO didn't do that. LSU and Cam did that.
uhhhhh, when you have an NFL arm and talent, you can go to Delaware st and still make it in the NFL. It's all on your natural talent+ your own work ethic. You just have to chooose a school that shows you off. 2012 LSU didn't allow that to happen, but Cam opened it up and was competent enough to let NFl players make NFL plays in '13.
Average talent who will never see football field on Sundays like Jennings needs to be coached up and developed, as they can't survive on talent alone.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:15 am to cas4t
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You think Mett developed enoughs skill in JUCO to end up being successful in the SEC? Come on. Some of you find it impossible to give credit. Mett's senior year is thanks to Cam Cameron, not his JUCO school. Don't be ridiculous.
Look at CNewton - he was a JUCO guy and he kicked arse his first season in the SEC. Obviously they aren't fully developed coming out of JUCO, but they certainly take the next level.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:15 am to therick711
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You're picking one game when quarterbacking is about consistency over many repetitions.
That was the only game in '12 that they opened it up.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:16 am to lsu2006
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We're just gonna ignore his vastly improved footwork, work-ethic, decision-making, ability to read defenses, etc.?
Duh. Because Miles and Cam can't develop QBs. Nevermind Miles kicked off the best QB i've seen come through LSU since Russell.
These people are miserable. EVERY TEAM has shite that they go through. Every fan of those teams finds things to bitch about. But at the end of the day LSU has become NFLU and continues to recruit at the highest level.
People wanted a new OC. Miles gets it. People want Jamal, Beckwith and Harris to start. They get their wish. I was very frustrated at the beginning of the season, but i've come to realize that I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. I don't coach football. Some of these folks need to realize they don't know more than the LSU staff.
This post was edited on 10/28/14 at 11:19 am
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:16 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
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People say this but he only had one productive year while at LSU and he was here for three years I believe. I think one year he sat on the bench, his second year was shitty, and he blossomed his senior year.
That's pretty much the definition of "develop nicely", no?
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:17 am to cas4t
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You can't attribute that to JUCO.
Of course not, but I attribute it to Mett's natural talent and his own work ethic. Les was acutally destroying his career before Cam opened it up for him in '13. Hard to succeed when always throwing out of 3rd and 9 and throwing either a curl or slant because your coach is still shitting his pants from 2008 pick six days.
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