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re: Why do you think Miles and his staff has trouble developing QBs?

Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:17 am to
Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
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Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:17 am to
LSU QB Recruitment and Development under Miles

Head coaches don’t usually develop QBs. OCs develop QBs. It helps to sign elite QB recruits.

2005 - 2007: Fisher was the OC. LSU did a good job of developing QB while Fisher was here. Russell and Flynn were very good college QBs. Perrilloux was alos developed into a good QB.

Perrilloux may have contributed to the problem with recuriting QBs. It's usually hard to sign an elite QB when a team has a young elite QB heir apparent.

2007 - 2010: Crowton was the OC from January 2007 until January 2011. I don't know why any HS QB would come to LSU to learn under Crowton. He was a QB development killer. He did it at Oregon. He did it at LSU. He did it at Maryland. Jefferson and Lee were products of Crowton. That pretty much wipes out everyone through the 2011 class. Crowton is the genesis of the LSU QB wasteland.

Perrilloux's dismissal also probably contributed to the set back in LSU's QB development. Lee (RSFr) and Jefferson (Fr) were thrown into starting roles before they were ready.

2011: Mett and Rivers came from the 2011 class. One panned out; one did not. Mett was an elite QB recruit. Rivers was signed as a major project.

Kragthorpe entered the picture in January 2011. He was diagnosed with Parkinson's Disease, so he was unable to fulfill the demands of being an OC. Stud took over the position in August 2011. Instability at the OC position contributed to an inability to develop QBs and recruit effectively for the QB position for 2012.

2012: Having Mett sign in 2011 was a blessing, but it made it more difficult to recruit for 2012 because an incoming QB would have to sit for two years behind Mett.

Mett dramatically improved towards the back half of 2012.
2013: 2013 produced Jennings, an Elite 11 QB, and Rettig.

Mett improved even more during 2013. Jennings was quickly elevated to the backup position over Rivers and Rettig. Jennings performed admirably during the 2013 regular season.

2014: Harris signed for 2014.

During the Spring of 2014, the staff determined that Jennings and Harris would be the starter and backup.

There was little chance of Rivers or Rettig seeing the field as the #3 QB, so they left: "You're being let go." "Your department's being downsized." "You're part of an outplacement." "We're going in a different direction." "We're not picking up your option."

2015: 2015 will produce Justin McMillan.

2016 and Beyond: The future is very bright indeed for 2016 with Feleipe Franks and quite possibly Shea Patterson. LSU has leads on elite QBs for the foreseeable future.
This post was edited on 10/28/14 at 11:23 am
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:18 am to
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Look at CNewton - he was a JUCO guy and he kicked arse his first season in the SEC. Obviously they aren't fully developed coming out of JUCO, but they certainly take the next level.



Yea, because they come from a glorified high school. My brother played JUCO and D1 baseball, and all JUCO did was give him a chance to shine. His real development came playing D1.

They have 2 years to grow physically and mentally. That happens naturally to everyone.
Posted by Moustache
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Member since May 2008
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Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:18 am to
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Nevermind Miles kicked off the best QB i've seen come through LSU since Russell.



Perrilloux didnt' do very well at FCS. He certainly didn't set the world on fire. To act like he would've been great in the SEC is being intellectually dishonest.
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:18 am to
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Work Ethic? THat was on Mett. He wanted to make the NFL.


Yes, and Cam was the one that instilled it in him and taught him what he needed to prepare himself for that step. Taught him how to properly watch and analyze film, proper footwork, etc. Yes, Mett put the actual work in and he deserves tons of credit accordingly, but Cam was his guide.
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footwork? I didn't see much difference from Bama '12 to Bama '13 as far as footwork.


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Ability to read D? He did fine against the best defense in 2012. I'd say he actually regressed slightly (Ole Miss '13)


Why are you looking at one game from each year?

Either way, I'm not going to continue to argue this. Anyone with eyes and no agenda can see that Mett was a more well-rounded and all-around better QB in 2013 from 2012.
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
70891 posts
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:19 am to
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Of course not, but I attribute it to Mett's natural talent and his own work ethic. Les was acutally destroying his career before Cam opened it up for him in '13. Hard to succeed when always throwing out of 3rd and 9 and throwing either a curl or slant because your coach is still shitting his pants from 2008 pick six days.



I don't disagree with this. But the premise of the thread is that LSU's staff doesn't develop QBs. LSU may have held Mett back early on, but they are also responsible for his growth.

I'm sure Mett would agree with me, and disagree with you 100% on his time at LSU.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
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Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:20 am to
They don't, it's as dumb as any rant mantra
Posted by Moustache
GEAUX TIGERS
Member since May 2008
21556 posts
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:20 am to
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Some of these folks need to realize they don't know more than the LSU staff.


No one claims to.

When you see a NFL QB make a bad decision and throw a terrible pick, you can spot it and say that was a terrible decision. It doesn't mean you know more than that NFL QB or can do it better.

Anybody can see leaving Adams and Beckwith on the bench was a BAD decision. Doesn't mean I know more about CFB or running a program than the staff, but that decision was a pretty easy one to spot.
Posted by Lonnie4LSU
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
9525 posts
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:21 am to
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People say this but he only had one productive year while at LSU and he was here for three years I believe. I think one year he sat on the bench, his second year was shitty, and he blossomed his senior year.


Explain how "his second year was shitty" and " he blossomed his senior year" equates to " has trouble developing QBs"?

Are you saying JL didn't at lease develop between 08 and 2011?

Our QBs of 05, 06, and 07 seem to have developed to being pretty respected college QBs by the time they left LSU.

Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
70891 posts
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:22 am to
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Perrilloux didn't' do very well at FCS.


He made it to the NFL from an FCS team.

And stayed on the team for a good bit.

And he was the MVP of a bowl game in his first start at LSU.

The is ridiculous at this point. Y'all are just miserable LSU fans.
Posted by Choupique19
The cheap seats
Member since Sep 2005
61763 posts
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:23 am to
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2013: 2013 produced Jennings, an Elite 11 QB, and Rettig.

Mett improved even more during 2013. Jennings was quickly elevated to the backup position over Rivers and Rettig.


I've been trying to figure out how Jennings, as a true freshman beat out both Rivers and Rettig. I have been told by those in the know that Jennings leading the comeback against Arkansas surprised everyone because he couldn't complete a pass in practice. So I can't figure out how LSU has three qb's on campus (Rivers, Rettig, and Bolden) that couldn't beat out a true freshman for the backup role. I think we all can admit that the true freshman was not a super phenom.
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
70891 posts
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:23 am to
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No one claims to.



you said Mett's footwork was the same in 12 as 13. I'm sure the Titans, Cam, Miles, and Mett disagree with you.

Mett was a better QB in 13 than 12, and that's not a debate.
Posted by Moustache
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Member since May 2008
21556 posts
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:23 am to
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hy are you looking at one game from each year?

Either way, I'm not going to continue to argue this. Anyone with eyes and no agenda can see that Mett was a more well-rounded and all-around better QB in 2013 from 2012.


Because it isn't fair to judge the other games when the offense refused to open up. How can a QB be judged when the line is in max protect and he only has 2 options to throw to? In addition, those 2 options ran the same fricking route?
Posted by Tiger_n_ATL
Atlanta
Member since Jul 2005
32453 posts
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:24 am to
Ask bfnii he has all the answers. He might be the only one in History with the ability to make the argument that LSU has good development at the QB position lol.
Posted by Choupique19
The cheap seats
Member since Sep 2005
61763 posts
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:24 am to
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And he was the MVP of a bowl game in his first start at LSU.



He started the Mid Tenn St game that year.
Posted by baobabtiger
Member since May 2009
4719 posts
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:25 am to
We run 3 different offenses and we don't develop well.

Lee, and Jefferson showed no improvement from their freshman to senior years. Right now our current starter is much of the same.
Posted by Moustache
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Member since May 2008
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Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:26 am to
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And he was the MVP of a bowl game in his first start at LSU.


When did this happen?

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Y'all are just miserable LSU fans.



I'm not miserable at all. I just know football and I"m realistic. I still enjoy wins and dislike losses just like any other fan. I find enjoyment breaking down the game and giving both praise and criticism. It's just that some fans are so gung-ho they can't stand to hear criticism so they flip out and act like superior fans.
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:26 am to
Uhh Lee was much better as a senior than as a freshman. Some stupid in this thread.
Posted by Moustache
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Member since May 2008
21556 posts
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:27 am to
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Mett was a better QB in 13 than 12, and that's not a debate.



Of course he looked better. I'm saying he wasn't even given the chance in '12. Hell, I'd venture to say he would've been better than Lee and JJ in '11.
Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
5516 posts
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:29 am to
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Perrilloux didn't do very well at FCS.
Yes, yes he did. He did very well his senior year. He was his conference's offensive player of the year.


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To act like he would've been great in the SEC is being intellectually dishonest
You are talking out your arse again. Do you even remember how RP performed while at LSU? And just admit that you had no idea what happened to RP after he left LSU.
Posted by redbaron
Member since Aug 2011
707 posts
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:30 am to
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Perrilloux
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MVP of a bowl game


SEC Championship?
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