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re: what is the solution to schedule inequity? (serious question)
Posted on 5/1/14 at 2:06 pm to Geauxgurt
Posted on 5/1/14 at 2:06 pm to Geauxgurt
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The only way to make it even close to equitable is to make only division games count
If you do this then you may as well say frick the SEC and create 2 separate conferences and go your separate ways. Historically, the SEC was more of a group of cliques than a true conference. Teams played a different number of games and didn't even think about rotating. For example LSU and GA played like 1 game over a 26 year period.
The SEC didn't become a true conference until sometimes in the 80's, I think. It achieved it's greatest level by doing so and individual team self-interest is not the best approach as it is reestablishing cliques again.
14 teams is a bitch from a scheduling standpoint. I would explore dividing us into 3 div, with the two best div champs playing in the SEC CG. Not ideal at all, but it is probably the best that can be done that maintains the integrity of the conference within the current constraints of 8 conf games, a 12 game season and one CG.
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Posted on 5/1/14 at 2:07 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
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If this is true, it doesn't seem like a reasonable solution. You could still have a team with a year of playing 2 cupcake teams & another team playing 2 top ten teams.
That's the definition of inequity.
You conveniently forgot my first sentence. Don't be that guy.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 2:11 pm to nicholastiger
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If Tenn was the Tenn they were back in the 90's than Bama's schedule would be a lot tougher - the major whining is that while Bama is benefitting from a down Tenn program right now and LSU has played a far better Fla over that same time period, that one game can be the difference in getting in the SEC title game and in the years when LSU has to play UGA, which conveniently they had to last year before all the UGA injuries it was not equitable to Bama playing UK. In the long run it should balance out and Tenn should get back to what they were and Saban won't be at Bama forever.
It would be tougher, but still not equitable. Tennessee was never as good as Florida over any 5 year period, since the Ole Ball Coach took over in the early 1990s. (Ask Peyton Manning, they whipped him 3 or 4 times.) For the last quarter century, Florida has been consistently better that Tennessee. We hope it will "balance out", but in the mean time, lets have a fairer schedule.
The solution is simple: Play the West, play 3 from the east home-away-home. Next year the first east home team falls off your schedule and you add a new away team Away-home-away. During a five year college career, a player plays every east team once, and all but two of them twice. Schedule any rival game you want that is not on your schedule and it does not count toward your conference record.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 2:45 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
I don't believe you could get annual equality without having a free flowing schedule. Take last year's Auburn team last as an example, no one would have thought that team would have made such a turnaround in one year or that Florida imploded like they did. Every team is undefeated at the beginning of the year, so who knows what these schools, especially the SEC teams, will be like.
Yes UK sucks hind tit almost every year but it's never 100% guaranteed.
Yes UK sucks hind tit almost every year but it's never 100% guaranteed.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 2:54 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
It is all about Bama playing Tennessee every year, and Georgia playing Auburn every year. It is simple to fix. You play all of the teams in your division each year and play two teams in the other division on a rotating basis. Bama can still play Tennessee and Auburn can still play Georgia when not in rotation; the games simply will not count as conference games. Everybody should be happy.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 3:22 pm to Camp Randall
You Damn right. The only way it changes is with a new commissioner. LSU will have to dominate Fla year in and out for them to squeal and Tenn has to grow some nuts and play big ball football vs Bama . Dont see it happening so best we hope for is Vincent takes over for Silve.(slime)
This post was edited on 5/1/14 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 5/1/14 at 3:43 pm to TigerBait1127
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9 team schedule, rotating teams, allow teams to schedule SEC teams as OOC.
Only division games count towards SEC division standings
play the 6 in your division and rotate the other 2....its just too easy....
This post was edited on 5/1/14 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 5/1/14 at 3:46 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
I don't know about Miles, but IMO the cross division games should not count except as tie breakers and even then the opponents would be evaluated as to rank. This would be allow the permanent opponent to really mean something, but allow the initial decision be made strictly inside the division. If it were a 16 team league then this would be totally acceptable. You even play 9 games.
What Miles and Alleva want is to not have a permanent opponent and play every team in 6 years rather than 10-12.
What Miles and Alleva want is to not have a permanent opponent and play every team in 6 years rather than 10-12.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 3:51 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
9 games no perma.
This is what I want. 16 team league, 4 divisions.
LSU, Tamu, Ole Miss, Ms State.
Arky, Mizzou, USC, Kentucky
Bama, Uga, Aub, ut
Uf, vandy, fsu and whoever the 16th team is....maybe uva or UNC.
That gives you 3 perma opponents. Then you do home and away with 2 from 3 of the other divisions, then rotate. 9 game schedule, you keep the 4 teams we are appeasing rt now with their perma. And.... you ready? You play every team in the sec in a 4 year span.
Oh and btw, Les isn't the only one against this. Even freeze came out and said he didn't like the way his university voted. 8 game schedule with a perma makes absolutely no sense what so ever.
This is what I want. 16 team league, 4 divisions.
LSU, Tamu, Ole Miss, Ms State.
Arky, Mizzou, USC, Kentucky
Bama, Uga, Aub, ut
Uf, vandy, fsu and whoever the 16th team is....maybe uva or UNC.
That gives you 3 perma opponents. Then you do home and away with 2 from 3 of the other divisions, then rotate. 9 game schedule, you keep the 4 teams we are appeasing rt now with their perma. And.... you ready? You play every team in the sec in a 4 year span.
Oh and btw, Les isn't the only one against this. Even freeze came out and said he didn't like the way his university voted. 8 game schedule with a perma makes absolutely no sense what so ever.
This post was edited on 5/1/14 at 3:56 pm
Posted on 5/1/14 at 3:55 pm to dgnx6
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9 games no perma.
This is what I want. 16 team league, 4 divisions.
LSU, Tamu, Ole Miss, Ms State.
Arky, Mizzou, USC, Kentucky
Bama, Uga, Aub, ut
Uf, vandy, fsu and whoever the 16th team is....maybe uva or UNC.
That gives you 3 perma opponents. Then you do home and away with 2 from 3 of the other divisions, then rotate. 9 game schedule, you keep the 4 teams we are appeasing rt now with their perma. And.... you ready? You play every team in the sec in a 4 year span.
that would be perfect , but for now, with current teams why not 6 and rotate 2 .....
Posted on 5/1/14 at 3:57 pm to tigerswin03
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that would be perfect , but for now, with current teams why not 6 and rotate 2 .....
It bothers me that 4 year players don't get to play at every stadium in the conference
Posted on 5/1/14 at 4:00 pm to tigerswin03
Well because we want to appease 4 of the 14 teams by keeping their rivalry games. That's the only way I see keeping everyone happy. Yeah the bama division may not be fair, but they are the ones that want to keep those games. I'm all for the 6-2 model, but they kept 6-1-1 based off some bullshite tradition talk.
ts not about who has a hard schedule, its about playin all the teams in your conference. Which every one else does except for the sec.
ts not about who has a hard schedule, its about playin all the teams in your conference. Which every one else does except for the sec.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 4:14 pm to dgnx6
I know what the Aggies did when their conference kept screwing them. Can you spell A-C-C? The SEC is dominant now, but these things are cycllical, it is very possible thay 3 years from now the ACC is riding a nat'l champ winning streak, or the Big 12.
No one at LSU or it's fan base is willing to think outside the SEC box, they think we belong to the most exclusive club in sports, so we are stuck. Our biggest problem is that we have not had a AD with balls since Bob Broadhead.
No one at LSU or it's fan base is willing to think outside the SEC box, they think we belong to the most exclusive club in sports, so we are stuck. Our biggest problem is that we have not had a AD with balls since Bob Broadhead.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 4:38 pm to andouille
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I know what the Aggies did when their conference kept screwing them. Can you spell A-C-C? The SEC is dominant now, but these things are cycllical, it is very possible thay 3 years from now the ACC is riding a nat'l champ winning streak, or the Big 12.
No one at LSU or it's fan base is willing to think outside the SEC box, they think we belong to the most exclusive club in sports, so we are stuck. Our biggest problem is that we have not had a AD with balls since Bob Broadhead.
Im sorry but I don't know where to start with all of that stupidity ......
Posted on 5/1/14 at 4:49 pm to tigerswin03
Yeah that post is chock full of dumb.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 5:27 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
Put the "traditional rivals" (Bama-Tennessee, UGA-Florida) in the same division. Then rotate all cross-divisional matchups.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 5:29 pm to andouille
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I know what the Aggies did when their conference kept screwing them. Can you spell A-C-C? The SEC is dominant now, but these things are cycllical, it is very possible thay 3 years from now the ACC is riding a nat'l champ winning streak, or the Big 12.
So the SEC just keeps having money poured into it in the most recruiting rich area of the country, but then it is just going to fall apart?
Money + Talent is the reason the SEC is dominant. There may be a season or two where some conferences are better, but recruits are going to stay home for the most part
Posted on 5/1/14 at 5:30 pm to nycajun
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Put the "traditional rivals" (Bama-Tennessee, UGA-Florida) in the same division. Then rotate all cross-divisional matchups.
Auburn and Alabama would have to be in the same division. I want to play Bama every year.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 6:02 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
Just no permanent rivals, and cycle other divisional opponents in a way that EVERYONE plays each other in 4 or 6 years.
This post was edited on 5/1/14 at 6:03 pm
Posted on 5/1/14 at 6:09 pm to TigerBait1127
Short sighted BS. If you have don't put some cards in your hands, you have nothing to fight with. The threat of discord is something the SEC will try like hell to avoid. I don't know what is being said behind the scenes, no one posting on the board does, but there are buttons to push, I hope Alleva is is pushing them.
There is a lot more here at stake than the scheduling issue, permanently assigning the SEC baseball tournament to Hoover is ridiculous, the incredibly bad officiating, bowl assignments, LSU is the red-headed stepchild of the SEC.
It doesn't seem that long ago the LSU fans accepted the fate that we could never win a MNC. Remember when the Pac10 and Big 10 ruled the ranking. Everything changes.
There is a lot more here at stake than the scheduling issue, permanently assigning the SEC baseball tournament to Hoover is ridiculous, the incredibly bad officiating, bowl assignments, LSU is the red-headed stepchild of the SEC.
It doesn't seem that long ago the LSU fans accepted the fate that we could never win a MNC. Remember when the Pac10 and Big 10 ruled the ranking. Everything changes.
This post was edited on 5/1/14 at 6:13 pm
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