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re: what is the solution to schedule inequity? (serious question)
Posted on 5/1/14 at 6:59 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
Posted on 5/1/14 at 6:59 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
while expansion filled us with pride for our conference it is causing some problems. there are more teams now and it seems there are some sacred cows that must be protected. and some want us to go to a 16 team conference. it just isn't the same with mizlou and aggie in and if we add 2 more it won't be the sec anymore. all of this just to make more money. I miss the sec already; i'd much rather play Georgia and Tennessee than the new guys.
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Posted on 5/1/14 at 7:40 pm to LSU GrandDad
Kick 4 teams out and play 9 conference games round-robin. No more scheduling BS because everyone has to play everyone.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 8:09 pm to tigerswin03
I have to agree with you. LSU in the ACC? The thought of that actually happening is ignorance at its best. I could see LSU being in the conference with Texas, but the two schools who opted out of the SEC sucked for many years. Georgia Tech eventually landed up in a decent conference, but Tulane leaving destroyed that school's sports program. Just think if Tulane was still in the conference. LSU would have a instate rival. Whoever got Tulane to leave the SEC needs their grave trashed.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 8:10 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
The way to go if you are really looking to be as fair as possible is 6 with 2 rotating. The 2 rotating are based upon the previous year's standings/rankings. Division winners play other division winner (or 2nd?) plus 3rd (or 4th?), etc. Or something like that. I realize last year's first or whatever may lose a lot of big players and it be off some, but it would leave less position for whiners to whine.
A similar solution exists for keeping a traditional opponent. You base the 2nd opponent on the traditional opponent's previous year standing to balance.
Of course with these scenarios you may very rarely skip some teams for years and years before they fall into the schedule, but it would be "fair"
A similar solution exists for keeping a traditional opponent. You base the 2nd opponent on the traditional opponent's previous year standing to balance.
Of course with these scenarios you may very rarely skip some teams for years and years before they fall into the schedule, but it would be "fair"
Posted on 5/1/14 at 8:18 pm to joeytiger
This-
plus this-
I don't see the problem with this solution.
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Simple; play everyone in your division & have a rotating schedule with the other division. Gives the fans & the players an opportunity to see many of the schools from the other division that we/they don't get to see now but maybe once every 8-10 years.
plus this-
quote:
but only count division wins and losses to select the participants in Atlanta.
I don't see the problem with this solution.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 8:33 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
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what is the solution to schedule inequity?
I have not had time to read everyone's suggestion so forgive me if this has already been suggested.
Why not play a nine game SEC schedule consisting of the remaining 6 teams in your division and playing the teams from the other division on a rotating schedule.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 8:45 pm to West Central Tiger
College football will always have question marks when it comes to strength of schedule and fairness, but I will never understand why the SEC cares so much about us playing Florida every year. I know that traditionally these have been big games and they make a lot of money on them, but wouldn't Bama and Georgia every year be an even bigger game? Look at the SEC championship game two years ago. If money and big games is their reason, then why the double standard? 
Posted on 5/1/14 at 8:58 pm to bearhc
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It is all about Bama playing Tennessee every year, and Georgia playing Auburn every year. It is simple to fix. You play all of the teams in your division each year and play two teams in the other division on a rotating basis. Bama can still play Tennessee and Auburn can still play Georgia when not in rotation; the games simply will not count as conference games. Everybody should be happy.
this makes THE most sense, but it won't happen.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 9:16 pm to avondale88
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I have to agree with you. LSU in the ACC? The thought of that actually happening is ignorance at its best. I could see LSU being in the conference with Texas, but the two schools who opted out of the SEC sucked for many years. Georgia Tech eventually landed up in a decent conference, but Tulane leaving destroyed that school's sports program. Just think if Tulane was still in the conference. LSU would have a instate rival. Whoever got Tulane to leave the SEC needs their grave trashed.
Keep in mind that saber rattling is the basis of diplomacy. Just bitching accomplishes nothing. We're stuck dancing with the pig at the prom and everyone else is happy with their dates.
This post was edited on 5/1/14 at 9:19 pm
Posted on 5/1/14 at 10:24 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
I realize there have to be divisions to have a championship game, but we're just tossing things around so try this one:
No divisions
Each team has 3 opponents that they play every year.
Play 5 teams home and away for two years, then rotate and play the other 5 teams home and away for two years.
Top two teams play in the SEC title game.
Doing this, you've played every other SEC school at least twice in a 4 year span AND you're still only having to play 8 conference games.
No divisions
Each team has 3 opponents that they play every year.
Play 5 teams home and away for two years, then rotate and play the other 5 teams home and away for two years.
Top two teams play in the SEC title game.
Doing this, you've played every other SEC school at least twice in a 4 year span AND you're still only having to play 8 conference games.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 11:07 pm to Obi-Wan Tiger
I have been bitching about it for years. You must get rid of playing a nondivisonal opponent on a every year basis. It is simple. If you must play team x every year put those teams in the same division or shut the f up.
It is beyond ridiculous that a SPORT at any level has the rules written up that guarantee a situation that isn't fair/a level playing field.
We go as far as to REQUIRE equal equipment (heaters etc) for the visiting team yet it is mandated that the schedule be unequal to all.
It is beyond ridiculous that a SPORT at any level has the rules written up that guarantee a situation that isn't fair/a level playing field.
We go as far as to REQUIRE equal equipment (heaters etc) for the visiting team yet it is mandated that the schedule be unequal to all.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 11:39 pm to Geauxgurt
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The only way to make it even close to equitable is to make only division games count and go up to at least 3 cross-divisional games.
Teams then have 3 non-conference games they can schedule which can include their "traditional rival".
In the end, that is the only way short of no SEC championship game, and playing 13 regular season only SEC games in a round robin.
I was thinking something along these lines. Just a round robin.
Schedule a decent OOC opponent, a couple cupcakes, then the rest of the SEC games should be as close to equitable as possible.
If team A plays Alabama, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida all in one season
and
Team B plays Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, and Missouri, that's nowhere near equitable.
Even though all of these games count as conference games for both teams count as conference games. The quality of opponent is nowhere near the same.
So make it as equitable as possible with a round robin or make the SOS be worth more than it currently is.
Posted on 5/2/14 at 5:48 am to TigerBait1127
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So the SEC just keeps having money poured into it in the most recruiting rich area of the country, but then it is just going to fall apart?
How about LSU starts negotiating with FSU, Texas, Oklahoma, and Miami to form the nucleus of a conference to rival the SEC. The other five, or so, teams can come from anywhere - one of the Mississippi schools, Central Florida, one of the North Carolina schools, Clemson, Rice (Hey, we need a Vandy, right?)
I'm not saying we leave the SEC, just start negotiating and watch those Gump mother humpers start puckering. We'd get any deal we want in the SEC to get us to stop.
Penrod! Like the Kim Jong Il in Team America; genius flowing from every pore, but no one to appreciate it!
Posted on 5/2/14 at 6:06 am to Billy Ray Valentine
Solution is simple -
Those that want to keep their permanent rival can do so.
Bama can play UT every year. Georgia can play Auburn each year. The rest of us will rotate accordingly amongst all the other teams, it just that Bama, Abuurn, UT and Georgia will rotate through a lot less often since they only have one rotating game instead of 2.
Those that want to keep their permanent rival can do so.
Bama can play UT every year. Georgia can play Auburn each year. The rest of us will rotate accordingly amongst all the other teams, it just that Bama, Abuurn, UT and Georgia will rotate through a lot less often since they only have one rotating game instead of 2.
Posted on 5/2/14 at 7:48 am to Tigerstark
Go to a 13 game regular schedule. Play every team in the SEC every year. No need for out of conference games. So what if we'd lose UF vs FSU, UGA vs GT, KY vs Louisville !
Posted on 5/2/14 at 8:48 am to Billy Ray Valentine
Yes Miles spoke in detail at the SEC coaches thing two years ago and offered solutions to the inequity.
It had no one coming to their rescue. It doesnt help when the Fla AD says he is ok with playing LSU each year. So any further criticism makes us look like we're crying about it. Can u imagine if the Cowboys had to play the Pats every year while NY Wash and Philly get Jacksonville?
As far as solutions: look at NFL, high school, any other conference... hell only the SEC is doing it this way...
As far as things eventually evening out... Well Miles is going on his 10th year and is hasnt yet.
Do we wait another 10?
But its time to move on until the Fla guys have a change of heart. Alleva and Miles did get more night games by lobbying hard this year and kudos to the both of them for that.
Sometimes life isnt fair and u have to know when your beaten and then go for the 2nd best thing for your program.
It had no one coming to their rescue. It doesnt help when the Fla AD says he is ok with playing LSU each year. So any further criticism makes us look like we're crying about it. Can u imagine if the Cowboys had to play the Pats every year while NY Wash and Philly get Jacksonville?
As far as solutions: look at NFL, high school, any other conference... hell only the SEC is doing it this way...
As far as things eventually evening out... Well Miles is going on his 10th year and is hasnt yet.
Do we wait another 10?
But its time to move on until the Fla guys have a change of heart. Alleva and Miles did get more night games by lobbying hard this year and kudos to the both of them for that.
Sometimes life isnt fair and u have to know when your beaten and then go for the 2nd best thing for your program.
This post was edited on 5/2/14 at 8:52 am
Posted on 5/2/14 at 9:01 am to LSUANDY25
one thing that a lot of people miss the boat on is that if it were just ala,ut,au,uga wanting the 6-1-1 rotation, then it wouldn't have passed. the problem is that ole piss, msu, vandy and kentucky want the 6-1-1. not to mention two others which i think includes uf.
Posted on 5/2/14 at 10:13 am to Billy Ray Valentine
There's no guaranteed way to avoid inequity, but they could make more of an effort.
It's a simple as removing the permanent rival or going to 9 games. Set the rotation and stick with it and it will be more even.
You can rarely predict a downturn so inequity will happen, but they could make changes to even it out.
It's a simple as removing the permanent rival or going to 9 games. Set the rotation and stick with it and it will be more even.
You can rarely predict a downturn so inequity will happen, but they could make changes to even it out.
Posted on 5/2/14 at 10:19 am to Billy Ray Valentine
The only thing I don't like about permanent cross division opponents is that it means we have to wait so long to play some teams. When is the first time we will even play Missouri in the SEC? When is the next time we play UGA?
It'd be nice if we could play everyone at least once every 4 years, so each class has a chance to face everyone at least once
It'd be nice if we could play everyone at least once every 4 years, so each class has a chance to face everyone at least once
Posted on 5/2/14 at 11:22 am to Tiger1242
DILLIGAF!!!
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