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re: Tom Shatel: Shorter dimensions could bring balance to TDA Park
Posted on 6/21/13 at 8:15 am to TheDoc
Posted on 6/21/13 at 8:15 am to TheDoc
Maybe they can pump in less dense air or put gigantic fans behind home plate to ensure that the air is flowing out, thus carrying the ball farther.
What % of LSU's total runs scored during the season stemmed from homeruns?
What % of LSU's total runs scored during the season stemmed from homeruns?
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Posted on 6/21/13 at 8:21 am to TheDoc
You could add 2000 to this list as well.
Blair Barbier hits a deep flyball to left field it gets down on the warning track a double.
Wally Pontif Walks to put guys on 1 and 2nd
than Jeremy Witten comes up to bat squares a ball up hits it on the screws but is caught at the warning track. Inning over Stunford still up 5-2
LSU does get 1 in the ninth but its not enough to come back stunford dogs piles on the mound after their dominating pitcher finally snuffs the LSU rally
one of the greatest comebacks in LSU and maybe CWS history doesn't happen because the ball just doesn't carry in TDA park.
Blair Barbier hits a deep flyball to left field it gets down on the warning track a double.
Wally Pontif Walks to put guys on 1 and 2nd
than Jeremy Witten comes up to bat squares a ball up hits it on the screws but is caught at the warning track. Inning over Stunford still up 5-2
LSU does get 1 in the ninth but its not enough to come back stunford dogs piles on the mound after their dominating pitcher finally snuffs the LSU rally
one of the greatest comebacks in LSU and maybe CWS history doesn't happen because the ball just doesn't carry in TDA park.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 8:23 am to The Cow Goes Moo Moo
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What % of LSU's total runs scored during the season stemmed from homeruns?
Many people are past suggesting this as an LSU complaint. LSU fans may be hypersensitive to it because of the nature of our losses, but most people even outside of LSU believe there is a real issue here.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 8:25 am to TheDoc
question
if the 90s were played in TDA park does LSU win 5 titles. I know 91 93 and 97 weren't close and LSU would probably win those games anyway but do we have enough offense in those years to make it to the championship.
I think there is a chance LSU doesn't win 5 titles maybe not even 3 maybe only 1 or 2, if the CWS was played in TDA in the 90s LSU wouldn't have become the greatest college baseball program in the country, we would be just like UGA, CSF, etc. teams who have won a couple of championships but never had a magic run like LSU.
if the 90s were played in TDA park does LSU win 5 titles. I know 91 93 and 97 weren't close and LSU would probably win those games anyway but do we have enough offense in those years to make it to the championship.
I think there is a chance LSU doesn't win 5 titles maybe not even 3 maybe only 1 or 2, if the CWS was played in TDA in the 90s LSU wouldn't have become the greatest college baseball program in the country, we would be just like UGA, CSF, etc. teams who have won a couple of championships but never had a magic run like LSU.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 8:30 am to ell_13
The fact that have been only 2 home runs in 10 games, that is a problem. That is a mere .2 home runs a game, even in the dead bat era that is low. With the typical rate in current college baseball you should see 5 homeruns in 10 games.
another thing to notice there are many balls that have been hit that should have been home runs. If the stadium, the bats, the balls are the way it should be I suspect we may have seen maybe .8 home runs a game maybe closer to 1 home run a game.
I feel like this is a Aristotle virtue situation.
1998 the year the score was 21-14, that is way to high for any baseball game. that Is the one extreme
2013 most games are like 2-1 1-0 3-2, this is the other extreme. Both extremes are bad for college baseball, one allows to much offense the other to much pitching.
Move in the fences, change the balls, change the bats. It is what college baseball needed. The greatest show on dirt is getting to boring.
another thing to notice there are many balls that have been hit that should have been home runs. If the stadium, the bats, the balls are the way it should be I suspect we may have seen maybe .8 home runs a game maybe closer to 1 home run a game.
I feel like this is a Aristotle virtue situation.
1998 the year the score was 21-14, that is way to high for any baseball game. that Is the one extreme
2013 most games are like 2-1 1-0 3-2, this is the other extreme. Both extremes are bad for college baseball, one allows to much offense the other to much pitching.
Move in the fences, change the balls, change the bats. It is what college baseball needed. The greatest show on dirt is getting to boring.
This post was edited on 6/21/13 at 8:32 am
Posted on 6/21/13 at 8:43 am to TheDoc
Just go back to the bats from a few years ago
Posted on 6/21/13 at 9:19 am to PurpleAndGold86
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There is no way in hell the RF would have caught that ball regardless of field dimensions, so at the very least it would have been a game tying double.
BWAHAHAHAHAHA. In this park, it's just a long out. See OSU vs MSU this year. That could've been a great highlight and a great fricking game that is talked about for years, but instead a shitty, undeserving MSU moves on.
Adam Plutko would've given up 3 bombs and got rocked if these were the 09 bats.
The problem is the fricking bats people. yes, the stadium dimensions are pretty long, but the problem is the fricking bats.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 9:19 am to biglego
Just go back to shut the hell and play ball.
It comes down to ability in the end...if you don't botch plays in the field LSU still wins.
Bunch of crybabies.
It comes down to ability in the end...if you don't botch plays in the field LSU still wins.
Bunch of crybabies.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 9:19 am to ell_13
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But you are correct that there will be more hittable pitches. With less drag comes a straighter path of the ball. Two-seam fastballs don't cut as well and curveballs don't break as hard.
I brought this up earlier. High seams = more movement on the pitch. You add more movement on breaking pitches to smaller sweet spots on the bats and you have one boring arse baseball game.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 9:23 am to Moustache
It doesn't matter what would have happened in TDA the simple point is that this stadium sucks its to large.
.2 homeruns a game is horrible it should be higher. Even .5 a game is to low and this is would be welcomed in this park.
.2 homeruns a game is horrible it should be higher. Even .5 a game is to low and this is would be welcomed in this park.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 9:28 am to Moustache
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That could've been a great highlight and a great fricking game that is talked about for years, but instead a shitty, undeserving MSU moves on.
The kid from Oregon State deserved a walk off in game one vs MSU. He squared that pitch up and it should have been a home run. Even with the current bats and balls that is a home runs at Rosenblatt.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 9:29 am to RB10
Hey RB..here is that article I was talking about last night.
This is what we said last night. They do also regulate the weight and size of the ball obviously, but the COR is what is regulated. Anyway, still an interesting read.
ETA: Actually, the COR is impacted by the core of the baseball and not the seams. Hence the reason why a conference could use a ball with the lower seams if they wanted to during the regular season.
LINK
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Currently, Keilitz said, the NCAA does not mandate any ball standards for regular-season play except that the ball’s coefficient of restitution (COR) cannot exceed .555. The higher the COR, the farther a ball will travel. Professional baseball uses a ball with a maximum COR of .578.
In the NCAA tournament, games must be played with an official Rawlings ball with seams that are higher than the seams of a pro baseball. For that reason, college conferences generally use the raised-seam ball during the regular season to prepare for the postseason.
This is what we said last night. They do also regulate the weight and size of the ball obviously, but the COR is what is regulated. Anyway, still an interesting read.
ETA: Actually, the COR is impacted by the core of the baseball and not the seams. Hence the reason why a conference could use a ball with the lower seams if they wanted to during the regular season.
LINK
This post was edited on 6/21/13 at 9:37 am
Posted on 6/21/13 at 9:36 am to PurpleAndGold86
I appreciate it! I agree with the Clemson coach about just switching to the minor league ball rather than creating a new one. That would allow them to implement the change sooner and it would be much cheaper.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 9:41 am to PurpleAndGold86
Does anyone else feel like the bats 07-10 were that unsafe?
Did anyone think those bats didn't have the game "balanced" enough.
I thought the bats from those years brought perfect balance to the college game and it was a joy to watch.
you could see a team dominate and score a shitpile of runs (see UC Irvine super regional 08) or you could see a true pitcher dominate (See LSU vs. UT CWS game 2). Perfect balance.
Did anyone think those bats didn't have the game "balanced" enough.
I thought the bats from those years brought perfect balance to the college game and it was a joy to watch.
you could see a team dominate and score a shitpile of runs (see UC Irvine super regional 08) or you could see a true pitcher dominate (See LSU vs. UT CWS game 2). Perfect balance.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 9:43 am to RB10
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I appreciate it! I agree with the Clemson coach about just switching to the minor league ball rather than creating a new one. That would allow them to implement the change sooner and it would be much cheaper.
Plus, if the argument is for MLB scouts to be able to make better comparisons, you could really see how a pitcher does with the minor league ball a lot better. It seems like so many college pitchers are drafted and get fricking rocked in high A.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 10:20 am to ell_13
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most people even outside of LSU believe there is a real issue here.
The park?
The winds?
The air?
The ball?
The bats?
If LSU had gone 2-0 rather than 0-2 in this park, would we still be crying over this real issue?
BTW, it's not the park. College HR production has been cut in half from what it was in 2009.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 10:38 am to LSU Groupee
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BTW, it's not the park.
It's part of the reason.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 10:41 am to PurpleAndGold86
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There's really not much wrong with the dimensions.
Okay, but if 300 teams play in college parks all season using college balls wouldn't it make sense to move to minor balls if the CWS is gonna be in a minor park?
This would be like changing the court dimensions for the final 4. What's the fricking point?
Posted on 6/21/13 at 10:52 am to Zamoro10
You really are the worst kind of poster. The absolute worst. Self righteous and stupid.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 10:56 am to LSU Groupee
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If LSU had gone 2-0 rather than 0-2 in this park, would we still be crying over this real issue?
I said that LSU fans were hypersensitive because of the losses. Had we won 2-1 and 4-2, it would still be a talking point, but it wouldn't get quite the response. If you remember, these points were made even in the SEC tourney. And the discussion about the baseballs has been there since the beginning of the year in different reports/stories.
I'm not one of the ones blaming the losses on any of these issues. Every team was on the same field playing with the same equipment. But I am a fan of the game which has to have balance which includes HRs off of pitching mistakes.
This post was edited on 6/21/13 at 11:00 am
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