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Posted on 6/20/13 at 5:39 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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I've understood your comparison the entire time. It still isn't a relevant comparison, but to each their own.
It's an analogy.
Posted on 6/20/13 at 5:48 pm to Golfer
If they can change to bats & balls to neutralize
the game of baseball. Then maybe they should change the size or composition of footballs & basketballs to make thing more exciting in those sports also. I know this is the wrong place for this post. Just sayin----
the game of baseball. Then maybe they should change the size or composition of footballs & basketballs to make thing more exciting in those sports also. I know this is the wrong place for this post. Just sayin----
This post was edited on 6/20/13 at 5:50 pm
Posted on 6/20/13 at 6:16 pm to TheDoc
Lower seams = more carry = more home runs. It's actually a very simple fix.
Posted on 6/20/13 at 6:21 pm to RB10
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Lower seams = more carry = more home runs. It's actually a very simple fix.
Agree. I really don't see what is so tough to grasp about this. I really just think talking about how the park is too big is a way for our fans to complain and make excuses to say how we should still be in. Fences had nothing to do with losing to UNC. We couldn't get a clutch hit. Bottom line.
Lowering the seams on the ball will more than make up for the lack of offense due to perceived mistakes by pitchers turning into long outs.
Posted on 6/20/13 at 6:25 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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Fences had nothing to do with losing to UNC. We couldn't get a clutch hit. Bottom line.
My comments have nothing to do with the result of LSU, FWIW
Posted on 6/20/13 at 6:27 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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Agree. I really don't see what is so tough to grasp about this. I really just think talking about how the park is too big is a way for our fans to complain and make excuses to say how we should still be in. Fences had nothing to do with losing to UNC. We couldn't get a clutch hit. Bottom line.
Lowering the seams on the ball will more than make up for the lack of offense due to perceived mistakes by pitchers turning into long outs.
I have to admit I was one of those bitching about the field a few days ago because I thought it was much bigger than it was, but upon learning it's dimensions I've realized the problem is the baseball and not the park.
The bats are here to stay and we need to accept that. The NCAA wanted to mimic the pro game as much as possible so they implemented the new bats.
My question now is if they are trying to mimic the MLB why change the bats and not the balls? The difference in the seams give the college pitches MUCH more movement on their breaking pitches. I would guess it's anywhere from 5%-10% more movement on breaking balls. Anyone who knows anything about baseball knows that little bit of extra movement makes a HUGE difference. Not to mention the difference it would make in carry. It could add up to 20 feet or so I would imagine.
This post was edited on 6/20/13 at 6:29 pm
Posted on 6/20/13 at 6:30 pm to PurpleAndGold86
quote:add to that the bats... I agree, it's not the ballpark... it's the ncaa messing with the bats and baseballs
There's really not much wrong with the dimensions. The biggest change is in the ball. Lowering seams on the ball can add as much as 25 feet to a flyball.
Posted on 6/20/13 at 6:33 pm to Golfer
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Imagine going to your bowl game and playing the field with the same width in hash marks, but the narrower NFL goal posts, or requiring two feet in bounds for receptions.
Then I would be a high schooler suddenly playing a college football game.
College/NCAA goal posts measure 18 feet, 6 inches wide (the same as the NFL)
This isn't the 1980's or high school. The old NCAA goal posts were ridiculous like the old bats.
Posted on 6/20/13 at 6:35 pm to ramchallenge
Keep the bats
Keep the stadium
Change the balls to a pro ball with .5mm seams, not the 1mm ones.
Keep the stadium
Change the balls to a pro ball with .5mm seams, not the 1mm ones.
Posted on 6/20/13 at 6:43 pm to RB10
I think everyone knows and agrees that the bats will not change. They were made in the name of "safety" so there is no going back there. Pulling in the fences at TDA would be just a band-aide imo, and an expensive one (not that the NCAA couldn't afford it). Which begs the question: who would have to pay for it, actually? Moving on.
There seems to be a misconception with changing the balls, however. I've heard here on TD and on the radio numerous times that changing the balls would increase the velocity of the ball coming off the bat. And the NCAA would not go for this b/c it would negate the bat change. This is completely false.
The smaller, tighter seems does NOT increase velocity; it decreases drag. Think of a small car and an 18 wheeler going at the same speed on the hwy, and they both let off the gas. The truck decreases speed at a higher rate, and the car comes to a stop further down the road.
I've said this before: 1) decrease in drag means more distance in general 2) it means the ball can keep its angular velocity as well (backspin) which causes lift. Imagine a soccer ball that "bends" with sidespin. There is more pressure on the side of the ball. The same thing happens to a baseball as well. The spinning causes pressure on the bottom of the ball which counters the gravity. More spin = more lift and at the right angle = more distance.
If the HR issue is really across the whole sport (which I think it is), this has to be your solution. Not every program is like LSU and has the funds to make a drastic change to their facility.
There seems to be a misconception with changing the balls, however. I've heard here on TD and on the radio numerous times that changing the balls would increase the velocity of the ball coming off the bat. And the NCAA would not go for this b/c it would negate the bat change. This is completely false.
The smaller, tighter seems does NOT increase velocity; it decreases drag. Think of a small car and an 18 wheeler going at the same speed on the hwy, and they both let off the gas. The truck decreases speed at a higher rate, and the car comes to a stop further down the road.
I've said this before: 1) decrease in drag means more distance in general 2) it means the ball can keep its angular velocity as well (backspin) which causes lift. Imagine a soccer ball that "bends" with sidespin. There is more pressure on the side of the ball. The same thing happens to a baseball as well. The spinning causes pressure on the bottom of the ball which counters the gravity. More spin = more lift and at the right angle = more distance.
If the HR issue is really across the whole sport (which I think it is), this has to be your solution. Not every program is like LSU and has the funds to make a drastic change to their facility.
This post was edited on 6/20/13 at 7:40 pm
Posted on 6/20/13 at 6:53 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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Lowering seams on the ball can add as much as 25 feet to a flyball
wrong again
Posted on 6/20/13 at 7:04 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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There is no way in hell the RF would have caught that ball regardless of field dimensions, so at the very least it would have been a game tying double.
McFly???
Posted on 6/20/13 at 7:06 pm to TheNightHawk
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wrong again
You know......you make a great counter argument. And your facts support it so well. Thank you for your input.
Posted on 6/20/13 at 7:15 pm to TheNightHawk
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wrong again
Actually, I am not wrong. I am right. I would love to hear your feeble simpleminded attempt at proving me wrong though. I'll wait for this one.
Be prepared with physics though, because if you waste your time arguing with me, I'm going to come back with physics that you won't even understand.
Posted on 6/20/13 at 7:21 pm to TheNightHawk
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wrong again
Maybe you will actually understand this...
Baseball Aerodynamics
ETA: Physics FTW
This post was edited on 6/20/13 at 7:22 pm
Posted on 6/20/13 at 7:21 pm to PurpleAndGold86
I thought ell did a fantastic job explaining it ins way "anyone" should be able to understand. Or so I thought. My not anyone. Maybe just most. Anyhow. Can't wait for the response.
Posted on 6/20/13 at 7:23 pm to ell_13
Posted on 6/20/13 at 7:24 pm to ell_13
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The smaller, tighter seems does NOT increase velocity; it decreases drag. Think of a small car and an 18 wheeler going at the same speed on the hwy, and they both let off the gas. The truck decreases speed at a higher rate, and the car comes to a stop further down the road.
I never said it would increase the velocity, only that it would increase the carry. I know that lower seams means reduced drag and, therefore, increased carry.
Posted on 6/20/13 at 7:25 pm to RB10
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RB10
Sorry, should have made it clear that I wasn't directing that toward anyone. Just adding my two cents.
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