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Tom Shatel: Shorter dimensions could bring balance to TDA Park
Posted on 6/20/13 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 6/20/13 at 4:33 pm
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Wow... great article... this guy has been following college baseball for a looooong time and he thinks there is certainly some problems...
he goes on...
Wow... great article... this guy has been following college baseball for a looooong time and he thinks there is certainly some problems...
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“The Tigers are down to their last out. Here's Warren Morris, second baseman. Has no home runs this year, but he's capable of getting one up in the air.
“Here's Robbie Morrison's pitch. Swing and a long drive! Back goes the right fielder. Back, back. And it's ...
“Just short. That's your ballgame. Miami players are dogpiling on the mound. The Hurricanes are national champs.
“Man, alive. How did that ball stay in?”
That didn't happen and thank goodness. No offense to Miami. But that was a classic College World Series moment, a story you never get tired of telling, the type of iconic play that gives this event definition and color.
If that 1996 CWS championship game was played in TD Ameritrade Park, Morris is the last out, a footnote in history, not one of the legends of June.
And nobody outside of Coral Gables, Fla., remembers anything about that CWS.
I'm a sports columnist. I live for those moments. And I believe those plays, and the legends they create, should always live at the CWS.
he goes on...
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What's happening is the warning track is getting a workout.
And I'm learning to embrace the romance of the long flyout. It's not easy.
Some tweaking is in order. Don't do it for the poets. Do it for the players and fans and the game. They all deserve balance.
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Posted on 6/20/13 at 4:35 pm to TheDoc
There is no way in hell the RF would have caught that ball regardless of field dimensions, so at the very least it would have been a game tying double.
Posted on 6/20/13 at 4:37 pm to PurpleAndGold86
I think the point went over your head...
Posted on 6/20/13 at 4:38 pm to TheDoc
Not really. This is about the 20484th thread about the ballpark dimensions at TD Ameritrade.
Posted on 6/20/13 at 4:39 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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There is no way in hell the RF would have caught that ball regardless of field dimensions, so at the very least it would have been a game tying double.
True but it does get the point across. I hope they do some tweaking.
Posted on 6/20/13 at 4:41 pm to SomewhereDownInTX
There's really not much wrong with the dimensions. The biggest change is in the ball. Lowering seams on the ball can add as much as 25 feet to a flyball.
Posted on 6/20/13 at 4:51 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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There's really not much wrong with the dimensions.
At 335 feet down both lines, 375 to the gaps and 408 to center, TD Ameritrade is slightly bigger than 21 major-league parks and about the same as six. NCAA and Omaha officials wanted to provide CWS players with a big-league park. They did it.
That's a neat gesture. The problem is, these aren't major-leaguers at the CWS.
This post was edited on 6/20/13 at 4:51 pm
Posted on 6/20/13 at 4:54 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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There's really not much wrong with the dimensions.
ummmm....no
Posted on 6/20/13 at 4:54 pm to TheDoc
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The problem is, these aren't major-leaguers at the CWS.
I liken it to two major differences between the NFL/College.
Imagine going to your bowl game and playing the field with the same width in hash marks, but the narrower NFL goal posts, or requiring two feet in bounds for receptions.
Posted on 6/20/13 at 5:15 pm to TheDoc
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At 335 feet down both lines, 375 to the gaps and 408 to center, TD Ameritrade is slightly bigger than 21 major-league parks and about the same as six.
Yeah, I realize that, but it's also irrelevant to compare it to the size of major league parks.
It is only 5 feet bigger than Alex Box and no one is crying about how huge LSU is and how it's ruining the college game.
I will say that the wind conditions at TD Ameritrade are bad and the ball has absolutely no carry to it, but that's hard to determine when building it. Rosenblatt had plenty of carry to it.
Changing the ball would make an enormous difference in offensive production.
Posted on 6/20/13 at 5:19 pm to Golfer
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I liken it to two major differences between the NFL/College.
Imagine going to your bowl game and playing the field with the same width in hash marks, but the narrower NFL goal posts, or requiring two feet in bounds for receptions.
This comparison makes absolutely no sense. In baseball all of the constants are remaining the same. The plate is still 17 inches wide. The mound is 60 feet 6 inches away and the bases are 90 feet apart. The outfield dimensions aren't identical in any 2 parks.
You are talking about actual rule changes with the narrower goal posts and 2 feet in bounds rule. There are specific rules on how wide the goal posts are. There are no rules or guidelines on how deep the OF fence has to be. Your comparison is like saying the CWS decides to use a 14 inch home plate, instead of 17 inches.
Posted on 6/20/13 at 5:23 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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You are talking about actual rule changes with the narrower goal posts and 2 feet in bounds rule.
We are talking about the conditions of the park likened to a Major-League setting, without MLB participants.
Posted on 6/20/13 at 5:25 pm to Golfer
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We are talking about the conditions of the park likened to a Major-League setting, without MLB participants.
You are talking about constants in the rules of the game. OF fences are not a constant anywhere. There are no guidelines saying how deep an OF fence has to be. That in no way shape or form can be compared to conditions of a playing field that are constant across every field in that particular league.
Posted on 6/20/13 at 5:26 pm to PurpleAndGold86
Posted on 6/20/13 at 5:29 pm to PurpleAndGold86
You are trying to look at this as if because there isn't a rule in place regarding field size that there can't be a comparison to MLB. It is a fact that based on the conditions of the park and its dimensions, TDA is larger than over half of MLB parks.
Its also understood that the participants in the game are not MLB athletes at this time.
Its also understood that the participants in the game are not MLB athletes at this time.
Posted on 6/20/13 at 5:30 pm to PurpleAndGold86
Those five feet mean difference between a home run and shot to the warning track. I don't want a home run derby but at the same time the home run is part of the game don't take it out.
I don't like the NCAA mentioning MLB and college baseball together they are two different games played by two different types of players. If a majority of guys were big leauge caliber it would be fine with it but they aren't. They aren't big leaguers so don't act like they have the same skills.
I don't like the NCAA mentioning MLB and college baseball together they are two different games played by two different types of players. If a majority of guys were big leauge caliber it would be fine with it but they aren't. They aren't big leaguers so don't act like they have the same skills.
Posted on 6/20/13 at 5:31 pm to Golfer
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It is a fact that based on the conditions of the park and its dimensions, TDA is larger than over half of MLB parks.
No shite, but to say "Oh that's just like college kids having to use narrower goal posts or get both feet in bounds" makes absolutely no sense.
I understand that the park is bigger than a lot of MLB parks. Alex Box is only 5 feet smaller, so it is bigger than a lot of MLB parks to, but I don't see too many people complaining about that.
Posted on 6/20/13 at 5:32 pm to Dizz
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Those five feet mean difference between a home run and shot to the warning track. I don't want a home run derby but at the same time the home run is part of the game don't take it out.
Lowering the seams on the baseball and using the minor league ball would make up for significantly more than those 5 feet.
I'm not saying the lack of homeruns is a good thing, but people are acting like this park is 1,000 feet.
Posted on 6/20/13 at 5:35 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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No shite, but to say "Oh that's just like college kids having to use narrower goal posts or get both feet in bounds" makes absolutely no sense.
1. Park is designed for MLB-caliber players
2. Park does not host MLB-caliber games
1. Bowl game is designed for NFL-caliber players
2. Bowl game does not have NFL-caliber participants
Get it?
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