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re: This exemplifies what is so wrong about the media treatment of LSU and Miles....

Posted on 8/28/13 at 9:20 am to
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
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Posted on 8/28/13 at 9:20 am to
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For example, when other coaches are talking about the upcoming season, how practice is going etc.,


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In all seriousness, sometimes I listen to his interviews and PC's and come away with more questions than answers



First of all, thanks to everyone for keeping this discussion relatively constructive and not turning this into a typical rantard squabble.


As for those quotes about Miles' pressers, like I said earlier, it's called "coach speak" for a reason. Listen to other coaches' pressers as closely as we follow Miles' and you'll turn them off out of boring frustration.

ALL coaches do their little routines to avoid giving actual information. No one gives straight answers. Miles just appears to have more fun with it than most.

Seriously, do yall honestly feel like Saban isn't fricking with the media as he drones endlessly about process, one game at a time aight????

Look at Sumlin with the JFF questions. He sounds like a stuttering child in the principal's office that can't wait for his SID to run in and bail him out with the out of time signal.

All of these guys are there because they are required to be, not to share info or give full access and insight.

The media is a nuisance to everyone of them, and Miles just isn't a dick like most of these egomaniacs that take themselves too seriously.

And the media crucifies him for it. It seems pathetically self loathing if you ask me.

This post was edited on 8/28/13 at 9:30 am
Posted by chilge1
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Posted on 8/28/13 at 9:32 am to
I wish Miles would take it personally and put a chip on his own shoulder... punch them in the mouth, shove the football down their throats, and keep the pedal to the floorboard until 00:00

But he's a better man than I am.
Posted by crazybengal
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 8/28/13 at 9:39 am to
I couldn't agree more with you, Voodoo. I heard that exact same crap from Luginbill and it really pissed me off! First off, if LSU has so much talent as that hack says, then why have the Tigers been rated 7th and 15th in his (ESPN's)rankings the last two years? Does not add up. And, if LSU does have better talent than everyone else (as the dumbass claims) shouldn't Miles get credit for bringing in those players? You can't have it both ways, Luginbill. I'm so sick and tired of hearing that mindless nonsense from the likes of Luginbill, Pollack, Kanell and all the rest of them. They're all a bunch of idiots!
Posted by Chimlim
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Member since Jul 2005
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Posted on 8/28/13 at 9:57 am to
Just because you're in the media does not make you smart.

Miles is the only coach who gets criticized for winning and recruiting well.

The only way for Miles to not get criticized by the media is to win every game 65-0, with below mediocre talent.
Posted by PeaRidgeWatash
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Posted on 8/28/13 at 9:58 am to
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What is it about LSU and Miles that makes the talent the focus? You never hear "Well Saban only wins because he's had the #1 recruiting class 4 of the last 5 years" just like you never heard those arguments as knocks against the accomplishments of Pete Carrol, Urban Meyer, Chip Kelly, Bob Stoops, or even someone like Mark Richt or Jimbo Fisher.


This x 1000
Posted by lsufan31
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Posted on 8/28/13 at 10:05 am to
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Sounds about right.

For example, when other coaches are talking about the upcoming season, how practice is going etc., Les tweets that it's time to go home and catch the season premiere of Duck Dynasty.

He does it to himself. Don't get mad at the media for making him out to be a dumbass.



I really dont care what he's tweeting about. Most LSU fans dont, because he isnt going to tweet out some big revelation about LSU football. Why would the man use Twitter to talk about the upcoming season.....its his freaking twitter, and I like that the man watches Duck Dynasty- it makes me respect him even more.
Posted by MetryTyger
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 8/28/13 at 10:32 am to
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TheBob
This exemplifies what is so wrong about the media treatment of LSU and Miles....
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But then he does this, and he doesn't have to, it's a choice. He thinks he's being cute doing it so the media in turn take shots at him. Just don't do it, be a serious and thoughtful coach, and you could be a legend, not a fricking buffoon.



Sounds about right.

For example, when other coaches are talking about the upcoming season, how practice is going etc., Les tweets that it's time to go home and catch the season premiere of Duck Dynasty.





Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh !!! NOW I get it !!
Thanks for enlightening us, oh noble Duckhead !!
So AAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL Les Miles tweets about, talks to the media about, blogs about, e-mails about, has press conferences about, talks about on his weekly live radio show every Wednesday night, etc, etc......
is Duck Dynasty !!!

Wow, what a revelation. I could have sworn that for the past six months, Miles has been answering and fielding questions, holding press conferences, speaking at LSU Alumni Sports Banquets and the Tiger Athletic Foundation events about LSU FOOTBALL.

Thanks soooooooooooo much for your intense, exhaustive research that sums up the last 6 months! I didn't know you were such an expert...

BTW, set yourself on fire and go jump in a sewage treatment plant.........

I'm embarrassed that you live in Metairie....
This post was edited on 8/28/13 at 10:36 am
Posted by TDTGodfather
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Posted on 8/28/13 at 10:50 am to
first off, excellent OP. really well done.

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face it, its games like last year against Alabama at home which the players won and the coach lost that fuel this.
Pair that with the lost NCG to Alabama in which he stubbornly would not play JLEE who took us to the ship that makes it so.

The best thing Les can do is get his hands off and rep LSU. Let the best OC coach offense and the best DC coach defense.





this brings about another disturbing narrative amongst the fans.

"meddling Miles"

the crazy and hypocritical thing behind this way of thinking is that you think miles is a buffoon and incompetent but at the same time he's made out to be some evil mastermind with his hand in every play trying to sink the ship.

and this year it will lead to this:

running play for 2 yards (miles call)

play action pass for 22 yards (cam's call)

3rd and 5 draw play that gets 4.5 yds (miles call)

3rd and 2 misdirection that gets 15 yards (cam's call)

perfectly thrown pass that the WR drops (uhhhhh better pin that on miles,obviously these guys lack discipline)

settle for FG (ugh miles)

score a TD (good job cam)



i'm surprised "thanks obama" became a meme before "thanks les" did.

This post was edited on 8/28/13 at 10:51 am
Posted by IndependentGeorge
Anytown, USA
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 8/28/13 at 10:51 am to
Dude...he is right. Not about the Saban part but Les wins with his talent. All coaches do, just more so with Les. He has had some terrible offensive teams that still have been in tittle hunts. Thank god for freak athlete endurance defensive players.
Posted by jmarto1
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Member since Mar 2008
34263 posts
Posted on 8/28/13 at 11:35 am to
Some criticism of Les is valid but I have never liked the whole win with another coach's players argument. Those kids still needed coaching. Of course a coach wins with talent on the field. Isn't it their job to put together a talented team? Bottom line with Les IMO, he is on a very short list of coaches that can beat Saban. Possibly at the top.
Posted by TheBob
Metairie
Member since Jun 2005
16935 posts
Posted on 8/28/13 at 11:39 am to
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Thanks soooooooooooo much for your intense, exhaustive research that sums up the last 6 months! I didn't know you were such an expert...



Well, it's just one example of why the media portrays Les the way that they do. Thanks for your input though. I'm sorry I live in Metairie too.
Posted by Tiger_n_ATL
Atlanta
Member since Jul 2005
32457 posts
Posted on 8/28/13 at 12:38 pm to
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this brings about another disturbing narrative amongst the fans.

"meddling Miles"

the crazy and hypocritical thing behind this way of thinking is that you think miles is a buffoon and incompetent but at the same time he's made out to be some evil mastermind with his hand in every play trying to sink the ship.
You do realize that someone can be both a fool and an evil genius simultaneously, right? Hitler was an ideologue (and a fool for believing his own ideology), but he was also an evil genius as well. Some people drink their own kool aid so much they can't see where they are going wrong. The bottom line is that if you can get people to believe in you, your system can suck but because the people believe you can achieve some modicum of success (at least for a while).

(the Hitler reference is only an analogy to make a point)
This post was edited on 8/28/13 at 12:40 pm
Posted by Tiger_n_ATL
Atlanta
Member since Jul 2005
32457 posts
Posted on 8/28/13 at 12:43 pm to
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Just because you're in the media does not make you smart.

Miles is the only coach who gets criticized for winning and recruiting well.

The only way for Miles to not get criticized by the media is to win every game 65-0, with below mediocre talent.

and that's the whole point, because the media are "not smart", don't give 'em stupid shite to print. If you play their game, you will be a victim of it, and that's what Miles does. Beat 'em at their own game.
Posted by LSU Groupee
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 8/28/13 at 1:00 pm to
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your system can suck but because the people believe you can achieve some modicum of success (at least for a while).


Ok, you are not comparing Miles to Hitler, but what does modicum of success or a system that sucks have to with the Miles era?

You guys need to let it go. Miles is allowing LSU to compete both within the SEC and nationally as it has never done before in its 120 history.
Posted by YouAre8Up
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Posted on 8/28/13 at 1:07 pm to
I can't really comment on what speculation is on the perimeter.
Posted by MetryTyger
Metro NOLA, LA
Member since Jan 2004
15608 posts
Posted on 8/28/13 at 1:26 pm to
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jmarto1
This exemplifies what is so wrong about the media treatment of LSU and Miles....


Some criticism of Les is valid but I have never liked the whole win with another coach's players argument. Those kids still needed coaching. Of course a coach wins with talent on the field. Isn't it their job to put together a talented team? Bottom line with Les IMO, he is on a very short list of coaches that can beat Saban. Possibly at the top.




Exactly. Nick Saban left Baton Rouge EIGHT AND A HALF YEARS AGO for Chrissake.
And the LSU players that Miles coached in '05,06, and '07 were all either redshirts, freshman, or never even got off the BENCH in Saban's last year of '04 !!

Didn't Saban win with Dinardo's players in '01, '02, and '03 ?????? Many of the leftovers from Dinardo years ended up on NFL rosters!

I wonder if some idiots really believe that the ghost of Saban lived under Miles' hat and whispered into his ear which play to run.

Actually it is a testimony to Miles that he came in coached a team he had not met, did not recruit, and had to play 12 CONSECUTIVE WEEKS WITHOUT A BYE due to Katrina, to an SECCG appearance.

As far as beating Saban, Miles has done so three times. His overall record against Saban is 3-4, but two of those games could easily have been won by LSU - 2008 OT and 2012 last year.
Miles could just as easily be 5-2 vs Saban.

Also, Saban is 35-5 his last three years. Miles is 34-6, one game behind, and is 2 missed FGs away from being in Saban's shoes the last two years (OSU miss vs ISU in '11, Alleman LSU miss vs Bama in '12.)
Posted by CptBengal
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Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 8/28/13 at 1:30 pm to
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The idea that Les coasts on talent is just wrong.


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nd even Clemson are just as stacked with elite HS talent as LSU is if not more.


omg

Didnt Clemson beat us in a bowl game last year?

face it, this is a correct statement:

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Les excels because he has better players than everyone else
Posted by harry coleman beast
Left Field
Member since Aug 2008
52210 posts
Posted on 8/28/13 at 1:32 pm to
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face it, this is a correct statement:



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Les excels because he has better players than everyone else


And who gets those players to come to LSU?
Posted by TDTGodfather
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
6169 posts
Posted on 8/28/13 at 1:33 pm to
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(the Hitler reference is only an analogy to make a point)

you sure about that?


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You do realize that someone can be both a fool and an evil genius simultaneously, right? Hitler was an ideologue (and a fool for believing his own ideology), but he was also an evil genius as well. Some people drink their own kool aid so much they can't see where they are going wrong. The bottom line is that if you can get people to believe in you, your system can suck but because the people believe you can achieve some modicum of success (at least for a while).

what i'm saying is that there are people out there that actually think Les doesn't even know what down it is, but at the same time thinking he's calling every single play. which he would be doing by memory (no play card/call sheet).

if you want to get specific, what ideal does Miles hold that is so crazy, that it is poisoning LSU from the top down and becoming the downfall of the program.

is it the fact that he runs a power run based offense constructed to wear down opponents coupled with stout D to win football games?

is it because when executed well, only about 4-5 teams on the schedule have a chance to keep up before they're run into submission?

because other than being a pro set vs a one back and besides being a multiple mostly 4 man front (4-3 or 4-2-5) compared to a 3-4, then it's almost the exact same philosphy as Alabama who's fans don't seem to have a problem with the philosphy.

we threw it more last yr than we had since 2007. what did last yr have in common with 07? we had a semi competent QB under center. i can't argue that miles philosphy changed when jarret lee perfected the interception in 2008. you don't see miles taking the chances he took pre 07 as much. but he plays the percentages well.

now if you want LSU to run a 4 WR, air raid offensive set then you'll never be happy. it's not gonna happen. but i suspect you're smarter than that. my guess is you know what kind of offense and defense will win in the SEC and in turn the nation and that we are just steps away from executing it. the exit of zach lee and RP had a lot to do with it. the dropsies and QB inconsistency. one play Mett overtrhows by 8 yards the next he puts it there and its dropped. last yr, the injury decimation of the OL and its effects were evident.

miles' recipe isn't bad, it just seems to be missing one to a few key ingredients depending on the year. shite we won 13-14 games in '11 vs one of the toughest schedules in the hist of cfb with two of the most mediocre QB's LSU has had in decades.


i get the offense isn't inherently sexy. but i don't care about sexy i care (like the folks in T town) about winning.
Posted by CptBengal
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Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 8/28/13 at 1:34 pm to
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And who gets those players to come to LSU?



Him and the rest of the recruiting staff....however, his inability to use that talent to its greatest potential is the failing they are discussing.

Sadly you and most of the others posting in this thread are unable to parse such logical differences.
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