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re: Props to Coach Miles. Really.
Posted on 8/10/12 at 12:43 pm to The312
Posted on 8/10/12 at 12:43 pm to The312
all he can do is discipline people that frick up.
you need to figure out what you really think a coach's responsibility.
you can set rules. set up the structure and instill discipline.
that won't keep anyone from breaking them.
do you know anything about tm7's history?
his dad being in jail for murder? his mom being awol and drug abusing?
how he barely made it through high school?
joe pa was a pretty great disciplinarian.
you need to figure out what you really think a coach's responsibility.
you can set rules. set up the structure and instill discipline.
that won't keep anyone from breaking them.
do you know anything about tm7's history?
his dad being in jail for murder? his mom being awol and drug abusing?
how he barely made it through high school?
joe pa was a pretty great disciplinarian.
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Posted on 8/10/12 at 12:43 pm to LSU Fan 90812
If the drug tests were all for nothing more than weed, then I withhold all props. Otherwise, props shall issue forth.
Posted on 8/10/12 at 12:44 pm to Tyrael
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You're not talking about the 'bar fight' are you?
yeah, the "bar fight" and subsequent suspension, the indictment and simple battery charge. I'm not sure how synthetic marijuana is worse than that.
Posted on 8/10/12 at 12:44 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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one of the most highly publicized players in LSU history.
doesnt equate to most talented or valuable to the team
Posted on 8/10/12 at 12:44 pm to LSUfan4444
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If anyone at LSU, within or outside of the football program discovered a rule was broken by TM and thus followed protocol which led to TM's dismissal from school and the team, that my friends is the definition of Institutional Control.
yep....we're NOT penn state!!!!!!
Posted on 8/10/12 at 12:44 pm to The312
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The312
I think most of us are somewhere between frustrated and disappointed. I just don't think a coach can be expected to instill discipline and control to the extent to ensure something like this is never gonna happen.
RP was booted spring '08. No Tiger player should live with the misconception that 'I'm too big to boot.'
Posted on 8/10/12 at 12:45 pm to 777Tiger
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doesnt equate to most talented or valuable to the team
we can argue semantics all we want.
regardless, it was a gutsy move.
Posted on 8/10/12 at 12:45 pm to AlwysATgr
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I think most of us are somewhere between frustrated and disappointed. I just don't think a coach can be expected to instill discipline and control to the extent to ensure something like this is never gonna happen.
the problem isn't this one issue. Why don't you go ahead and list the issues that we've had since Miles has become the coach. I'll wait, because it might take you awhile.
Posted on 8/10/12 at 12:46 pm to VC
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i hope you are typing all this bs because you are just a young dumb kid....obviously you aren't an adult. This is insane, you are an idiot, and probably should be banned for your ignorance.
312 hates Miles no matter what we do
Posted on 8/10/12 at 12:46 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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i'm proud that Les Miles has the stones to kick him off the team, if he was really breaking team rules.
If it's failing drug tests, then Miles didn't have a choice. I think the NCAA requires schools to have a policy regarding consequences for failing drug tests, but the schools can determine what the policy is. If the school has a policy, it has to follow that policy, or it can be an NCAA violation. If Mathieu failed drug enough drug tests that LSU's policy required suspension or kicking him off, and we didn't, we might have to forfeit (or vacate?) any games he played in.
Posted on 8/10/12 at 12:46 pm to Chad504boy
Chad504boy
THIS!
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nobody wins in the end. Program still takes a blow. Coach takes a blow. Player takes a blow
THIS!
Posted on 8/10/12 at 12:46 pm to AlwysATgr
Sucks to be Miles and be put in this situation yet again. I'm sure there was a ton of pressure from TAF, the school, and his own conscience on the decision to kick him off the team. I'm glad he took the stance he did and hopefully the team and Mathieu will be better for it in the long run.
Posted on 8/10/12 at 12:47 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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all he can do is discipline people that frick up.
you need to figure out what you really think a coach's responsibility.
the discipline should not only be a punishment for the crime, but a deterrent for everyone to not commit the same crime. maybe Miles' discipline was lacking and not very strict?
Posted on 8/10/12 at 12:48 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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we can argue semantics all we want.
regardless, it was a gutsy mov
I'm just sayin' it's worse for TM7 than it is for LSU. We'll be just fine. TM7, on the other hand, has just made his future a lot more unsure.
Posted on 8/10/12 at 12:48 pm to Bread Orgeron
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We knew this after the Perrilloux incident in 08
Truth
Posted on 8/10/12 at 12:49 pm to 777Tiger
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I'm just sayin' it's worse for TM7 than it is for LSU. We'll be just fine. TM7, on the other hand, has just made his future a lot more unsure.
I agree 100%. Lsu has more people to play the position, he has just one shot to make big money and change his life.
Posted on 8/10/12 at 12:49 pm to VC
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dude....i hope you are typing all this bs because you are just a young dumb kid....obviously you aren't an adult. This is insane, you are an idiot, and probably should be banned for your ignorance.
I just want to be clear. It's your brilliant position that the head coach of a football team bears NO responsibility for the behavior of his team, NO responsibility for whether or not they repeatedly violate team rules, NO responsibility for whether the team is discplined, and NO reponsibility for four seperate suspendable offenses in the span on twelve months? In fact, according to your sensational "logic," when the teams best defensive player is kicked off the team for repeated rules violations - a pattern of behavior that the staff was on notice of a year ago and had a year to correct - the head coach should actually be PRAISED! F*cking praised!
Think - for one f*cking second fire your meager synapses - about what you are saying. You DON'T PRAISE a staff for repeatedly having to suspend and dismiss key players. That's ridiculous.
This post was edited on 8/10/12 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 8/10/12 at 12:49 pm to hashtag
Mathieu is to blame for this and no one else. Yeah, we are all disappointed that we won't get to see him play but this is his third violation. If someone doesn't learn from the first two there isn't much you can do to help them. LSU will be fine. Miles had no choice.
Posted on 8/10/12 at 12:51 pm to genuineLSUtiger
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If someone doesn't learn from the first two there isn't much you can do to help them.
I agree that TM deserves the blame. But, if Les Miles' discipline for the first two violations doesn't mean anything to the player, is it really discipline?
Posted on 8/10/12 at 12:51 pm to The312
quote:You are a moron.
No, no f*cking "props" to Coach Miles. You know what would have merited props? Instilling discipline in your team so that you didn't have to dismiss your best f*cking player. That would have been the optimal outcome.
quote:You are an idiot.
Lauding Miles is like lauding a father who turns his teenage son in for some crime. Yeah, it's the right thing to do given the terrible circumstances. But it would have been exponentially better had the father done a better job rearing the child so that he didn't commit a crime in the first fricking instance. That's what a good parent does.
quote:You are brain damaged.
And a good coach instills discipline in his team, especially when he is already on notice that one of his stars has a penchant for this type of behaviour
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