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re: Lot of us have given Miles grief
Posted on 11/6/15 at 9:20 am to tigerclaws15
Posted on 11/6/15 at 9:20 am to tigerclaws15
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but the basis for greatness had already been established
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Posted on 11/6/15 at 9:21 am to tigerclaws15
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true but the basis for greatness had already been established and LSU became a national name already
LSU was among the Top Ten winningest programs before Saban was the head coach. We were a powerhouse before him, we are a powerhouse after him. He did not make our program.
Posted on 11/6/15 at 9:21 am to studentsect
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So yea, if we had had a different version of Saban than the one we actually had, one who was fully dedicated to being the coach at LSU, that hypothetical coach might have been the greatest coach in LSU history. The version we actually had one eye towards the NFL the whole time and it showed in his performance as a coach and negatively impacted recruiting.
you mean the one who took us from 3-4 wins seasons to a national championship?
Posted on 11/6/15 at 9:22 am to chilge1
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LSU was among the Top Ten winningest programs before Saban was the head coach. We were a powerhouse before him, we are a powerhouse after him. He did not make our program.
if you really believe that, I feel for you but you also believe Jordan Jefferson is a great qb. You have proved your knowledge.
Posted on 11/6/15 at 9:23 am to tigerclaws15
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you mean the one who took us from 3-4 wins seasons to a national championship?
Gerry DiNardo went 24-9-1 in his first three seasons with Carl Reese as his DC. Reese bolted for Texas, DiNardo hired Tepper, and the rest is history. We were a dumpster program when DiNardo took over. By the time Saban got here, we were a prominent program in need of some tune-ups.
Posted on 11/6/15 at 9:24 am to tigerclaws15
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if you really believe that, I feel for you but you also believe Jordan Jefferson is a great qb.
Link?
I believe Jefferson gave us a better shot of beating Alabama on 1/9/12 than Lee did. They were both well below average.
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You have proved your knowledge.
Posted on 11/6/15 at 9:26 am to chilge1
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1/9/12
WELP... I'm out...
Posted on 11/6/15 at 9:26 am to chilge1
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Link?
I am not bringing back that long arse thread where you argued for Jefferson. You even called for Jennings over Harris.
Posted on 11/6/15 at 9:31 am to Diver
what some fans do not, and will never, understand is that the level of talent from year to year fluctuates. also, the level of performance does also. at LSU, it fluctuates less than in many other schools but it fluctuates nevertheless. this would be true even if you field only 5 star players (which is probably impossible).
miles has done a great job in keeping LSU relevant for the last 11 years and it looks like this will continue for the next few (at least).
is nick saban better? yes but he's not at LSU.
are there other coaches better than miles? I don't think so. maybe urban meyer but he isn't coming to LSU.
I don't think miles needs to win this game to be "vindicated".
miles has done a great job in keeping LSU relevant for the last 11 years and it looks like this will continue for the next few (at least).
is nick saban better? yes but he's not at LSU.
are there other coaches better than miles? I don't think so. maybe urban meyer but he isn't coming to LSU.
I don't think miles needs to win this game to be "vindicated".
Posted on 11/6/15 at 9:36 am to tigerclaws15
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You even called for Jennings over Harris.
Link?
Posted on 11/6/15 at 9:38 am to tigerclaws15
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you mean the one who took us from 3-4 wins seasons to a national championship?
He had one really great year that included a double digit home loss to UF. He had another really good year when an LSU team full of Dinardo players was able make it to the SEC Championship Game despite 3 losses.
Saban has been much, much better at Alabama than he was at LSU, and this really shouldn't be that big of a debate.
He's had one double digit regular season loss in 9 years at Alabama.
He had at least one per season at LSU.
In his first 5 years at Alabama, he had 2 undefeated regular seasons and 3/5 seasons with 1 or fewer losses.
At LSU, he had zero undefeated, 1/5 seasons with 1 or fewer losses.
Posted on 11/6/15 at 9:39 am to tigerclaws15
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you mean the one who took us from 3-4 wins seasons to a national championship?
1996 . Gerry DiNardo . 10-2
1997 . Gerry DiNardo . . 9-3
Wow, look at that. Saban had only ONE year in FIVE in which he had less losses than DiNardo.
Wow.
Saban did not build a mansion. He inherited a mansion. Saban won with DiNardo's players. Saban also recruited and those players became Miles' players. BUT Saban's record with DiNardo's players was marginally, if any, better than Saban's record with his own players.
One quick note: QB is the most important position in football. A team is seriously handicapped without a quality QB.
Flynn signed in February 2002.
Russell signed in February 2003.
Who did Saban sign as the LSU QB in February 2004?
Who did Saban have committed as the LSU QB for February 2005?
This post was edited on 11/6/15 at 9:54 am
Posted on 11/6/15 at 9:47 am to Salviati
The question should be will LESS Miles once again pull DEFEAT out of the Jaws of VICTORY. 2 out of the last 3 years we have outgained and outplayed Bama but lost due to Miles, plain and simple being outcoached.
Posted on 11/6/15 at 9:51 am to vjm41
quote:Alabama brings in #1 recruiting classes every year.
2 out of the last 3 years we have outgained and outplayed Bama but lost due to Miles, plain and simple being outcoached.
LSU "outgained and outplayed Bama" according to . . . well, you. Your words.
But you conclude that LSU was outcoached.
fricking brilliant.
Posted on 11/6/15 at 9:52 am to LSU GrandDad
All due respect, Gramps, but Miles needs this game like the grass needs the rain. He has had his share of inexplicable gaffes that have cost LSU. The standard now, like it or not, is winning the SEC West and, for now, that means beating Alabama. That is all there is to say. Anything less is disappointing.
Posted on 11/6/15 at 9:52 am to tigerclaws15
quote:The basis for greatness Saban couldn't reproduce the following year.
true but the basis for greatness had already been established and LSU became a national name already
Miles has been as good or better during his time at LSU which is the metric. DWI.
Posted on 11/6/15 at 9:55 am to vjm41
I've always thought and said that Miles is one of the top 2-3, if not the top, coach in college football, but have been critical of the offense scheme/style/play calls prior to this year. Miles/Cam have really come around this year on offense so have to give them kudos for being able to adapt to the times.
Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:04 am to Diver
Something that isn't talked about much is the advantage in individual matchups for teams that play with power personnel (whatever you want to call it -- power-running game, ground and pound, etc.) against teams that have adjusted their personnel to defend spread-type Os. As those Defenses get faster and smaller (generally), they will often have trouble when they have to play a physical rushing team. That's an issue for Chavis right now, and it was at times when he was with LSU. In my view, those teams that have adjusted their defensive personnel still need to carry some big run stoppers on the roster, even if at times they're just situational players.
I've always liked a lot of the basics of Miles' offensive strategy, but I've also always felt like it needed some tweaking to make it more effective (less so this year because of the incredible production from the RBs).
I've always liked a lot of the basics of Miles' offensive strategy, but I've also always felt like it needed some tweaking to make it more effective (less so this year because of the incredible production from the RBs).
This post was edited on 11/6/15 at 10:39 am
Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:11 am to Lonnie4LSU
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Seems you are wrong...again.
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the man owns a 110-29 record which happens to be the very best winning record in Power 5 conferences football over the last 10+ yrs
You are ironically wrong.
This post was edited on 11/6/15 at 10:14 am
Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:13 am to josh336
quote:Les was right, and knows more about when a player is ready for that challenge than the rant. Harris needed to mature and earn the job; he did and look at him now.
Alot of us gave him grief for not starting harris last year, guess we were right.
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