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re: Just how bad was the Curley Hallman hire?
Posted on 10/27/15 at 3:48 pm to Ace Midnight
Posted on 10/27/15 at 3:48 pm to Ace Midnight
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Carter was a better President than Curley Hallman was at coaching football.
It was that bad. If there was an analogue to the Bear Bryant award for bad coaching, it would almost certainly be called The Curley Hallman Award.
If Curley Hallman was coaching 1 team, and a fire ant colony was coaching the other team, the team coached by the fire ants would have the advantage in coaching.
It is impossible to do a worse coaching job than Hallman did at LSU, even in theory.
I literally L'dOL.
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Posted on 10/27/15 at 3:48 pm to Brazos
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Just how bad was the Curley Hallman hire? by Brazos
Hallman was a horrible hire, as was Archer before him and Dinardo after him.
I was a student from 86-90, and immediately started buying season tickets in 1991, so I'm pretty passionate about that particular time period. I can tell you that when it comes to LSU football, there's two people that I blame the most for the debacle that was 1987-1999.
First and foremost, I hate Bill Arnsparger because he crippled LSU by passing on Steve Spurrier and then recommending Mike Archer to succeed him. (As Florida AD, he later hired Spurrier, which shows you what he thought of LSU.)
Secondly, I hate Brett Farve because he made Curly Hallman look like a good coach.
I guess I really can't blame either of these guys for the Dinardo hire though.
Posted on 10/27/15 at 3:49 pm to Shalimar Sid
5-6
2-9
5-6
4-7
No defending this record at LSU--a program that had NEVER had two losing seasons in a row to that point. Went out a winner? Nope. The program may have been sliding down at the end of the Dinardo years but Curley practically killed it.
2-9
5-6
4-7
No defending this record at LSU--a program that had NEVER had two losing seasons in a row to that point. Went out a winner? Nope. The program may have been sliding down at the end of the Dinardo years but Curley practically killed it.
Posted on 10/27/15 at 3:50 pm to Ace Midnight
Google biggest disasters in SEC history and see what you find. But he came in with some cred:
https://www.si.com/vault/1994/12/05/132795/last-call-with-nothing-left-to-lose-curley-hallman-went-out-a-winner-as-lsus-coach
This is how I remember Curely, always in panic or anguish over something in a game:
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When LSU hired him in 1990 to revive its football program, Hallman was considered one of the hottest coaches in the nation. He had been on national championship staffs at Clemson and Alabama, and in his first job as a head coach he had guided Southern Mississippi to records of 10-2, 5-6 and 8-3. ''We've got the right man,'' said Tiger athletic director Joe Dean at the time. However, Hallman's first three LSU teams went 5-6, 2-9 and 5-6, including a combined 7-16 against SEC foes, and going into the 1994 season his job was in jeopardy. Then came Sept. 17, when the Tigers played at Auburn, which had won its last 13 games. LSU blew a 14-point lead in the fourth quarter when Hallman kept calling pass plays while Auburn was making five interceptions and ! returning three of them for touchdowns. Auburn won 30-26, and LSU fell to 1-2.
https://www.si.com/vault/1994/12/05/132795/last-call-with-nothing-left-to-lose-curley-hallman-went-out-a-winner-as-lsus-coach
This is how I remember Curely, always in panic or anguish over something in a game:
This post was edited on 10/27/15 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 10/27/15 at 3:50 pm to LSU91MBA
I think he's a janitor or health and pe teacher at muscle shoals.
He provably was relieved from coaching duties at that high school
He provably was relieved from coaching duties at that high school
Posted on 10/27/15 at 3:50 pm to Shalimar Sid
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This reminded me of the Jerry Stovall days as well. 1983 not winning one SEC contest, I remember the student section yelling "Stovall Uhaul".
I guess there's been something like that for every coach we didn't like. I was around for the "Help Mac Pack" days.
Posted on 10/27/15 at 3:54 pm to MAJ 8ch
Joe Dean and the awful politics being played internally at the time are who and what to blame. BOS was corroded with the worst of good ol'e Louisiana politics. And Dean was a yes man.
Posted on 10/27/15 at 3:58 pm to Brazos
We can blame Brett Farve. Curly was not only a bad coach, he was a terrible public speaker. He was in way over his head.
Posted on 10/27/15 at 4:00 pm to Brazos
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He also made the single dumbest decision I have ever seen a college coach make. In 1994, LSU trailed Texas A&M in its season opener by five points with about two minutes to go. Holding two timeouts and the ball just short of midfield, LSU faced a fourth down. Curley, unbelievably, decided to punt. It was a call so stupid that the other team couldn't quite believe it. They sent out a 4-3 defense against our punt unit because it had to be a fake, because surely no coach is stupid enough to punt in this situation. Curley was. And he did. A&M got the ball, ran out the clock, and won the game. It's been almost 20 years and I still can't believe that actually happened.
I've forgotten some of the games from the Hallman days, but this is really terrible. Also, how did he manage to upset Alabama in 1993 with that team?
Posted on 10/27/15 at 4:02 pm to MAJ 8ch
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First and foremost, I hate Bill Arnsparger because he crippled LSU by passing on Steve Spurrier and then recommending Mike Archer to succeed him
Arnsparger passed on Spurrier succeeding him? LOL
Joe Dean was responsible.
Posted on 10/27/15 at 4:03 pm to Mike da Tigah
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About on par with Napoleon's invasion of Russia.
Not the invasion but certainly the retreat.
Posted on 10/27/15 at 4:05 pm to Brazos
I spoke with a person in the Athletic Dept there one time a few years back. He said that Hallman was basically a half arse hire. They didn't want to go out and pay for a high dollar candidate. All the AD at the time was concerned with was making sure the dept/football program didn't lose any money.
Posted on 10/27/15 at 4:07 pm to TigerB8
All I know is this - as bad as that 2-9 squad was in 1992, we still beat Mississippi State. So there's that.
Posted on 10/27/15 at 4:08 pm to MAJ 8ch
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Hallman was a horrible hire, as was Archer before him and Dinardo after him.
In context, I can't equate the Dinardo hire with either Hallman or Archer.
In Archer's defense, he was/is a fine football coach - from an ability standpoint - he was DC for us and coached some great defenses (and we did not have a national recruiting base at that time). He coached linebackers in the NFL - for the Steelers and his tenure did include a Superbowl run. He coached some decent (or better) defenses at Kentucky and NC State.
Again, in Archer's defense, he was pushed for the job by his boss, the outgoing HC, Arnsparger - many people ascribe ulterior motives, as Arnsparger was going to be the AD at Florida. Regardless, he got the job based on his partnership with Arnsparger during a brief rebirth of LSU football. He was just way too young for such a job. To put it in perspective, Mike Archer got the LSU job in 1987. Mike Archer is 3 1/2 months older than Les Miles, who first got a HC job in 2001.
Flash forward to Dinardo. A pretty good head coach, pretty good recruiter - he really did understand what makes LSU special and took a lot of necessary steps to "Bring Back the Magic". He was guilty of, perhaps, too much loyalty to assistants.
But to compare these two quality football coaches to Hallman is relatively unfair, IMHO. All Curley did was lose and make excuses for losing.
Posted on 10/27/15 at 4:14 pm to Ace Midnight
Well he was the only college coach to put a Hillard on defense so that should tell you all you need to know. I remember Ivory coming back to town and telling us that Coach Hallman wouldn't let them wear earrings. Seems crazy these days hun?
Posted on 10/27/15 at 4:16 pm to Brazos
Funny thing is, I was giddy when we hired him. I thought all this program needs is a little discipline. Sigh
Posted on 10/27/15 at 4:17 pm to Brazos
Two selfish upsides from the Curlman error:
1) Near the end of the error, a group of us were able to get 12 season tickets together in the S.EZ, with no TAF fees.
2) It was easier to study on weekends in grad school.
Otherwise, dark days indeed. I still remember where I was for the Auburn pick-6 fiesta, at a bar in Houston.
1) Near the end of the error, a group of us were able to get 12 season tickets together in the S.EZ, with no TAF fees.
2) It was easier to study on weekends in grad school.
Otherwise, dark days indeed. I still remember where I was for the Auburn pick-6 fiesta, at a bar in Houston.
Posted on 10/27/15 at 4:18 pm to Mo Jeaux
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I remember one of the radio stations playing the Curley Shuffle every Friday. Those were some dark days.
We played it in TigerBand too. Needless to say we rec'd some phone calls from the Joe Dean.
Posted on 10/27/15 at 4:18 pm to Brazos
Unlike most, I am grateful for Curley. If not for him losing to the Aggies so many years in a row, and putting us through the worse era in the history of LSU football, I would not have got my awesome season tickets in '98.
Posted on 10/27/15 at 4:20 pm to LSU91MBA
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He went on to be DC at MSU and perhaps another stop at the D1 coordinator level -- but eventually did coach HS... probably just because he enjoys coaching.
I'm pretty sure one of his stops was a DB coach for University of Alabama. Don't remember him as a DC. Then, he went into construction, or something like that. Then, he got back into coaching at high school level, and I believe his record was horrible.
Not sure if all those facts are exactly right.
When he was hired, fans in general weren't thrilled, like it was a home run hire, but were excited to have him. He had a couple of good years at USM, and was thought to be an up and coming coach. But looking back, it was pretty clear that what was considered great HC at USM was actually having a guy named Brett Favre as your QB
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