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re: JJ, Miles, and Mett - again
Posted on 4/21/11 at 11:51 am to Rudy40
Posted on 4/21/11 at 11:51 am to Rudy40
quote:I think if JJ starts against OU, he will have won the job up to that point.
My question to Roadd is do you really thing it should be called Jefferson winning the starting qb job if it is given to him?
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Posted on 4/21/11 at 11:55 am to Roaad
I'll be honest, I don't think it is an open competition. I think Miles knows what he has in Jefferson and he knows he is a safe pick to start the game. I don't think it is seniority I think it is familiarity that is winning. While he sees Mett in practice every day and maybe sees he would be a viable open, Miles job is to win games and he feels that with Jefferson LSU is going to win at least 10, with Mett he could cost them a game or two dude to being under pressure. Mett is still a wild card in all of this maybe to Miles.
I am also not saying that a open competition has to be 50/50 with both players getting first team reps. But when one is getting majority of reps with first team and other with third it doesn't scream "open" competition. Of course none of us know how it is going, I would assume Jefferson is getting 85-90% of snaps with first team and Lee is getting 5-10% and then Mett is getting whatever is left. If it was an open competition I would like to see Jefferson getting 70% since he is a returning starter with Mett getting 30% and then Lee with second string. That is just a personal opinion.
I am also not saying that a open competition has to be 50/50 with both players getting first team reps. But when one is getting majority of reps with first team and other with third it doesn't scream "open" competition. Of course none of us know how it is going, I would assume Jefferson is getting 85-90% of snaps with first team and Lee is getting 5-10% and then Mett is getting whatever is left. If it was an open competition I would like to see Jefferson getting 70% since he is a returning starter with Mett getting 30% and then Lee with second string. That is just a personal opinion.
This post was edited on 4/21/11 at 11:57 am
Posted on 4/21/11 at 12:29 pm to Larry Hollins
quote:
MILES KNOWS WHAT HE IS DOING.
You have to pay your dues and that appears to be exactly what Mett is doing. I'm sure he understands the process of how things are done even if some here seem to be unable/unwilling to accept it.
You keep your mouth shut, your head down, you do what you told, you work hard, you listen, when your time comes you go in the game when you are asked to, and you do the best job you can.
It's been that way forever for a newbe and this is no different and it says nothing bout what will take place in Sept or Oct...it is what it is and we all should be aware of what it is by now.imo
Posted on 4/21/11 at 12:36 pm to tduecen
Fans on this board assume too much imo. As fans we obviously don't get to see everything that happens in team practices. It amazes me that people on this board are so sure one way or another how things will play out with the opening day depth chart and play calling. This team has a whole summer and fall practice ahead of them. Mett will most probably get his chance to shine and try to win the job. But any certainties one way or another are just guesses at this point.
Posted on 4/21/11 at 12:54 pm to BeeFense5
quote:
To give Miles the benefit of the doubt, Jefferson might indeed give the Tigers the best chance to win in the season opener against Oregon. And who knows? If the Destrehan product could somehow find a way to translate his talent and raw ability to the playing field, a Jason Campbell-type senior season may be in the works.
This.
This IS the LSU QB situation summarized in one paragraph. Every JJ thread should start with this as a qualifier.
Miles is betting on this. And it is the right bet to make for LSU in 2011.
Posted on 4/21/11 at 1:11 pm to BeeFense5
quote:So you are saying on a message board it is wrong to assume or make predictions.... that it is completely uncalled for?
Fans on this board assume too much imo.
I know we have already been through this and you equate "critical" with "bashing/trashing" but really now you are saying we should not assume?
quote:You realize you fall into this category I would hope. You fall into the extreme of "Miles knows what he is doing and is above any second guessing" part of the equation. You may feel your side is correct, however, I believe no one is above being second guessed. I know at my job I get second guessed by people who have less experience and knowledge, I know I second guess people.
It amazes me that people on this board are so sure one way or another how things will play out with the opening day depth chart and play calling
quote:Or he may not get a full shot, as I mentioned earlier I Jefferson is getting main snaps with the first team. That won't change unless an injury/illness/or unforeseen event occurs. Mettenberg has to outshine playing on the second and third string, and as I stated earlier. I do not believe even outshining would win the starting job, Les is familiar with what Jefferson can and can not do and knows that with Jefferson LSU will win 10 games and he hopes that Jefferson can perform in a similar fashion to what he did against Ole Miss, Alabama, Texas A&M, and North Carolina.
Mett will most probably get his chance to shine and try to win the job
Posted on 4/21/11 at 1:14 pm to jrodLSUke
quote:
quote:
To give Miles the benefit of the doubt, Jefferson might indeed give the Tigers the best chance to win in the season opener against Oregon. And who knows? If the Destrehan product could somehow find a way to translate his talent and raw ability to the playing field, a Jason Campbell-type senior season may be in the works.
This.
This IS the LSU QB situation summarized in one paragraph. Every JJ thread should start with this as a qualifier.
Miles is betting on this. And it is the right bet to make for LSU in 2011.
While I agree with you that this is what Miles is doing, I disagree that this is a right bet. I don't think JJ is capable of playing decently (which, let's be honest, even in his "great" games like Alabama, Ole Miss and the Cotton Bowl, it's all he did) for any consistent basis. And I think when he is off (which is more often than when he is on), he is a direct liability and the main reason for our offensive woes these past two seasons. I see nothing changing that. And thus, betting on it to happen is a suckers bet.
In other words, JJ is viewed as the "safe" bet and I submit there is nothing "safe" about his performance. It has been and will continue to be poor and detrimental to us moving the ball, controlling the ball and scoring points, which are big parts of winning football games.
Posted on 4/21/11 at 1:15 pm to jrodLSUke
That might be the case, jrodLSUke, but I think that paragraph also has to be accompanied by this one:
Hope for the best, prepare for the worst. That's AllState's plan.
quote:
All of this speculation can be put to rest if Jefferson performs the way his coaches insist he can. But until that happens, Miles needs to make sure he’s fully prepared another quarterback come this fall. The cost of not doing so might just be missing out on a national championship.
Hope for the best, prepare for the worst. That's AllState's plan.
Posted on 4/21/11 at 1:22 pm to Santa Clause
Nobody is arguing Mett should be given the job. They're simply arguing he should be given a chance to win the job. That's what this whole debate boils down to.
If, indeed, Mett's reps were limited (which is understandable to some degree due to lack of experience, but let's face it, we have a new OC, so the playing field shouldn't be as tilted as some make it), that doesn't seem to constitute fair competition.
If, indeed, Mett's reps were limited (which is understandable to some degree due to lack of experience, but let's face it, we have a new OC, so the playing field shouldn't be as tilted as some make it), that doesn't seem to constitute fair competition.
Posted on 4/21/11 at 1:24 pm to Santa Clause
I dont think JJ and Mett need to split 50/50 with the ones but dont you think that based on all the reports I have heard and people who have seen the pre spring scrimmage and the spring scrimmage where JJ did get all but a few snaps with the ones (none with the 2's or 3's) the remaining few were taken by Lee that it is inherently next to impossible for a objective comparison to be made.
If nothing else with Miles attempting to do everything he can to firmly entrench JJ as the starter and look like one by having him play exclusively with the ones and Mett with the two's and three's what happens if an injury occurs. So far Lee has played very little with the ones and Mett virtually none. Assuming Miles maintains this ratio suppose Jefferson goes down on the first play against Oregon?
If nothing else with Miles attempting to do everything he can to firmly entrench JJ as the starter and look like one by having him play exclusively with the ones and Mett with the two's and three's what happens if an injury occurs. So far Lee has played very little with the ones and Mett virtually none. Assuming Miles maintains this ratio suppose Jefferson goes down on the first play against Oregon?
Posted on 4/21/11 at 1:25 pm to Mike Linebacker
quote:That is what I am praying for....
consistent basis
He doesn't need a "Jason Campbell" like year, I would settle for a 2009 like year, with him averaging close to 200 yards a game and not taking the sacks.
Posted on 4/21/11 at 1:36 pm to Mike Linebacker
quote:
I disagree that this is a right bet
Mike Linebacker,
I certainly can't blame you for having doubts about JJ. Based on his play for much of 2010, I have the same doubts.
But the only available bets are JJ (Sr.), Lee (Sr.) and Mett (So.). JJ is the right bet for 2011 because he is the Sr. QB that has been in the system for multiple years. BCS championships are won by teams that field an experienced QB.
[I realize Cam is the exception, but that dude was a true freak and LSU does not have a horse like that to bet on.]
Posted on 4/21/11 at 1:39 pm to jrodLSUke
quote:So Lee would be about the same bet as Jefferson since he has been with LSU longer than Jefferson?
because he is the Sr. QB that has been in the system for multiple years.
Although all are learning the new system both Jefferson/Lee have an advantage because probably much of terminology and many of the plays they are comfortable with have remained the same, or had small tweaking. Will take Krag at least a year to fully incorporate the system he wants.
Posted on 4/21/11 at 1:42 pm to Santa Clause
quote:
If, indeed, Mett's reps were limited...that doesn't seem to constitute fair competition.
Santa Clause,
I can't argue with that statement. It's correct.
But Miles is letting everything ride on JJ, and every snap he takes makes him better prepared for 2011 (in theory...fingers crossed). The competion, if there ever was one, is over. I'm fine with putting competition to the side in order to make JJ a better QB for 2011.
Posted on 4/21/11 at 1:45 pm to tduecen
quote:
So Lee would be about the same bet as Jefferson since he has been with LSU longer than Jefferson?
No, not at all. We have seen enough of Lee to make JJ QB1. However, if we need a drive in the 4th Quarter to win a ballgame, I'd bet on Lee over our other options.
Posted on 4/21/11 at 1:47 pm to jrodLSUke
quote:
We have seen enough of Lee to make JJ QB1
So Lee's horrible year was >>>>> than Jefferson's horrible year?
These statements confound me, apparently 1 QB can get better and the other apparently can not.
Posted on 4/21/11 at 1:55 pm to tduecen
quote:
So Lee's horrible year was >>>>> than Jefferson's horrible year?
Yes.
2008 LSU 8-5 <<<<<<< 2010 LSU 11-2
quote:
These statements confound me
If I had a nickle for every Tulane Grad that said this...
Posted on 4/21/11 at 1:57 pm to jrodLSUke
Lets be fair: LSU lost at least 2-3 of those games thanks to our dynamic duo of DC's when Lee was QB.
Posted on 4/21/11 at 1:58 pm to jrodLSUke
quote:
2008 LSU 8-5 <<<<<<< 2010 LSU 11-2
Ummm dont you think alot more of the differential had to do with Chavis instead of 2008 CoDC's. Patrick Peterson being an established elite corner and return man in 2010 versus a freshman outstanding talent who only played corner and no special teams in 2008. The overall talent on D being much better in 2008?
Posted on 4/21/11 at 1:58 pm to jrodLSUke
quote:
No, not at all. We have seen enough of Lee to make JJ QB1.
Honestly, we've seen enough of JJ for him to eb holding a clipboard on the bench. 110/116 of qbs in FBS.
That's worse than Lee, by a LOOOOOOOOOOONG way.
quote:
However, if we need a drive in the 4th Quarter to win a ballgame, I'd bet on Lee over our other options.
So let JJ fubar the game, then hope Lee can save it for us. Really? This is your "logic"
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